Can one derive the photon number / phase uncertainty relation

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The discussion centers on the uncertainty relation between photon number and wave phase in quantum mechanics. It references the quantum harmonic oscillator as a potential source for deriving this relation. The participant seeks clarity on whether this uncertainty was discovered through experimental means or can be derived from established quantum mechanics axioms. Relevant resources include a previous thread on frequency eigenstates and a document on coherent states from Berkeley.

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In an earlier thread of mine, another physics forums member was nice enough to point out that there is an uncertainty relation between photon number and wave phase for light.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-there-a-frequency-eigenstate-for-light.727141/
Now I am wondering, where does this uncertainty relation come from? Was it discovered experimentally or can it be derived from other quantum mechanics axioms?
I am guessing that the answer lies in analysis of the quantum harmonic oscillator, but I am not sure.
 
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