Undergrad Can Particles Defy Time by Reaching Below Absolute Zero?

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The discussion centers on the theoretical implications of particles at absolute zero and below. It asserts that time does not cease for particles at absolute zero, contradicting the notion that movement or vibration defines time. The consensus is that particles cannot be brought to absolute zero or below, and any speculation about sending particles back in time is unfounded. Additionally, the definition of time remains applicable even for particles in their ground states. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the limitations of stepping outside established scientific frameworks.
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Could a particle be sent back in time on it's world line? Time is defined by events, but at absolute zero, there is no movement or vibration of a particle - does not time cease to pass then at absolute zero for the particle? If the particle was somehow brought below absolute zero, could it be sent back in time? The working assumption is that a particle cannot be brought to absolute zero or below, but what if we step outside that framework for a moment?
 
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Hi BobbaD, and welcome to PF!

BobbaD said:
The working assumption is that a particle cannot be brought to absolute zero or below
I assume you mean a thermodynamic system can't reach absolute zero due to the third law of thermodynamics.

BobbaD said:
but what if we step outside that framework for a moment?
For what reason? From falsehood, anything follows...
 
BobbaD said:
but at absolute zero, there is no movement or vibration of a particle

That is not true.

BobbaD said:
does not time cease to pass then at absolute zero for the particle

No.

BobbaD said:
If the particle was somehow brought below absolute zero

It can't.

BobbaD said:
could it be sent back in time?

No.
 
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BobbaD said:
does not time cease to pass then at absolute zero for the particle?
No. There is no theory of physics that predicts that time stops at absolute zero. In fact, the SI second is currently defined for cesium atoms at absolute zero, so quite the opposite is true: not only does time not stop at absolute zero, it is actually most accurately measured at absolute zero.
 
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BobbaD said:
Time is defined by events, but at absolute zero, there is no movement or vibration of a particle

Not true. At absolute zero a system of particles simply occupy their ground states. In a metal, for example, the electrons still have momentum even in their ground states.

Also note that defining the temperature of a single particle is questionable, so trying to ask about what happens at absolute zero for a single particle doesn't really get you anywhere. A low density gas can have plenty of atoms in their ground states even though, as a whole, the gas can be quite hot.

BobbaD said:
Could a particle be sent back in time on it's world line?

No. Absolutely not.

BobbaD said:
Time is defined by events

Not really. Time passes just a well for a lone particle in its ground state as it does for a collection of particles in an explosion.

BobbaD said:
The working assumption is that a particle cannot be brought to absolute zero or below, but what if we step outside that framework for a moment?

Then you leave the realm of useful, predictive knowledge and enter the realm of 'let's make stuff up'.
 
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