Realistic Time Dilation for Objects > Subatomic Particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of time dilation as described by relativity, particularly in relation to objects larger than subatomic particles. Participants explore the feasibility of achieving significant time dilation for larger masses and the energy requirements involved, while also addressing misconceptions about time travel.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the potential for larger masses to achieve near-light speeds and the energy requirements, suggesting that clever methods beyond traditional fuel sources and particle accelerators may be necessary.
  • One participant quantifies the energy needed for a 1 gram object to achieve a time dilation factor of 2, comparing it to the energy of the Nagasaki nuclear bomb.
  • The Breakthrough Starshot project is mentioned as an example of an attempt to send small objects at significant fractions of the speed of light, though the corresponding time dilation factor is relatively small.
  • There is a debate over the distinction between time dilation and time travel, with some participants arguing that aging through time dilation can be considered a form of time travel, while others disagree.
  • Participants express uncertainty about specific calculations related to the speed required for certain time dilation effects, with one participant correcting another's estimate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of achieving significant time dilation for larger objects or on the interpretation of time dilation as a form of time travel. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of time dilation.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific assumptions about energy requirements and relativistic effects, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved within the discussion.

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Time travel, or more precisely time dilation, has been a well known proven result of Relativity. It has been demonstrated most notably in satellites traveling thousands of mph around the world with GPS. You can only go forward with our current understanding of physics.
Have there been any attempts to push these experiments further? Any attempt to make something of a larger mass than a subatomic particle reach near the speed of light? I realize that would require a tremendous amount of energy, but there could be some clever way to reach high velocities other than burning fuels and large particle accelerators.
If you know of any methods I would like to be the first to enter some time capsule and travel few decades into the future.
 
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dsaun777 said:
there could be some clever way to reach high velocities other than burning fuels and large particle accelerators.
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. If you want to go fast relative to the Earth (those last four words are important - you are already traveling fast with respect to various subatomic particles) then you need to get the energy to accelerate you from somewhere.
 
To put numbers on it, to get a time dilation factor of just 2, for a 1 gram object, you would need to impart kinetic energy equal to the Nagasaki nuclear bomb without destroying the object.
 
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For reference, the Breakthrough Starshot project aims to send gram-sized StarChips to Alpha Centauri at around 0.15c to 0.2c. This would correspond to a gamma factor of around 1.02.
 
PAllen said:
To put numbers on it, to get a time dilation factor of just 2, for a 1 gram object, you would need to impart kinetic energy equal to the Nagasaki nuclear bomb without destroying the object.
...which requires about 80% of the speed of light.
 
dsaun777 said:
Time travel, or more precisely time dilation...
:nitpick:
These two things should not be conflated.
Time dilation is not "time travel".

I mean, time dilation is no more "time travelling" than simply getting older is "time travelling".
 
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russ_watters said:
...which requires about 80% of the speed of light.
Well, closer to 90%: 86.6%, or exactly (√3)/2 of c.
 
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Orodruin said:
For reference, the Breakthrough Starshot project aims to send gram-sized StarChips to Alpha Centauri at around 0.15c to 0.2c. This would correspond to a gamma factor of around 1.02.
That is interesting to be able to reach our closest star in 20 years
DaveC426913 said:
:nitpick:
These two things should not be conflated.
Time dilation is not "time travel".

I mean, time dilation is no more "time travelling" than simply getting older is "time travelling".
I do consider aging time traveling, seeing time is the fourth dimension we are all moving through. If you can age more slowy than others through time dilation you are taking a very different path in spacetime.
 
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dsaun777 said:
I do consider aging time traveling...
Which is fine, but you may get tired of being challenged on it - or worse, not being taken seriously.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Which is fine, but you may get tired of being challenged on it - or worse, not being taken seriously.
I don't care.
 

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