Can Planetary Gravity Flatten an Egg-Shaped Planet?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of gravity on a slightly egg-shaped planet, particularly whether gravitational forces would cause such a planet to flatten over time. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational force, tidal forces, and the implications of planetary shape on gravitational effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravity increases as one approaches the center of a planet, suggesting that an egg-shaped planet would continue to compress until it flattens.
  • Others argue that the gravitational force inside a planet is proportional to the radius and diminishes towards the center, leading to a zero gravitational force at the core.
  • A participant compares the behavior of an egg-shaped planet to a piece of clay, suggesting that pressure from above would cause the sides to spread out, similar to how mountains exert pressure on their bases.
  • Some participants clarify that a non-spinning, fluid planet would naturally take on a spherical shape due to gravitational potential considerations.
  • There are claims that areas closer to the center of a planet experience less gravitational force due to the reduced mass below them, while areas further out experience greater gravitational pull from more mass.
  • One participant mentions that the Earth's shape is influenced by its rotation, which causes a slight flattening at the poles and bulging at the equator.
  • Discussions also touch on the concept of weightlessness at the Earth's core due to balanced gravitational forces, while others challenge this by discussing the effects of atmospheric pressure.
  • Participants debate the relationship between atmospheric density and gravity, with some asserting that pressure, rather than gravity, is the primary factor affecting atmospheric density at the Earth's center.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effects of gravity on an egg-shaped planet, with no consensus reached on whether such a planet would flatten or the implications of gravitational forces at different depths.

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Limitations include varying interpretations of gravitational force behavior within a planet, the dependence on definitions of pressure and density, and unresolved mathematical steps regarding gravitational potential.

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Since gravity gets stronger the closer you get to the center, would a slightly egg shaped planet just continue to squeeze until it flattens out? The closer in areas would feel an ever stronger force of gravity and the poles of the "egg" will feel a progressively weaker force of gravity.
 
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What he describes doesn't happen in nature because under the surface of the planet the gravitational force is proportional to the r, not r squared, and since the mass of the planet diminishes as it comes closer to the centre, gravitational force effectively diminishes. It is 0 at the centre
 
lundyjb said:
Since gravity gets stronger the closer you get to the center, would a slightly egg shaped planet just continue to squeeze until it flattens out? The closer in areas would feel an ever stronger force of gravity and the poles of the "egg" will feel a progressively weaker force of gravity.
Have you ever taken a piece of clay and pushed down on the top? What happens to the sides? Do they stay right where they are or do they squish out?

Now, think about a mountain. The weight of a mountain presses on the base of a mountain just like your hand presses on the clay. And in the same manner, the base wants to spread out. If the mountain is too high then there is too much pressure on the base and it will squish, spreading the base out and reducing the height until the remaining base is strong enough.

An egg shaped planet is a planet with a big mountain.
 
lundyjb said:
Since gravity gets stronger the closer you get to the center, would a slightly egg shaped planet just continue to squeeze until it flattens out? The closer in areas would feel an ever stronger force of gravity and the poles of the "egg" will feel a progressively weaker force of gravity.

The gravitational field does not get stronger as you get nearer to the centre, once you are below the surface. It is Zero at the centre. Gravitational potential, however, gets more and more negative as you get nearer the centre (i.e. things will always tend to fall towards the centre of a spherically symmetrical body)
A non-spinning, fluid / 'soft' planet will take the shape of a sphere, because that is the shape with lowest gravitational potential (just as small water drops and bubbles are spheres - but in that case, it's because of the electrical inter-molecular forces.)
 
lundyjb said:
Since gravity gets stronger the closer you get to the center, would a slightly egg shaped planet just continue to squeeze until it flattens out? The closer in areas would feel an ever stronger force of gravity and the poles of the "egg" will feel a progressively weaker force of gravity.

The closer areas actually feel less gravity. They might be closer to the center, but because of this fact they also have less mass below them exerting a gravitational force. The further areas might be further, but this also means that they have MORE mass pulling on them gravitationally, so the net effect is that they actually feel a stronger force.

As an example, the surface gravity of the sun is 29x larger than the earth...despite the surface being MUCH MUCH MUCH further from the center (and the sun being less dense).

As another example, YOUR surface (your skin) is MUCH MUCH MUCH closer to your center then the surface of the Earth is to its center...and yet the gravity you exert on your skin is practically nothing.
 
lundyjb said:
Since gravity gets stronger the closer you get to the center, would a slightly egg shaped planet just continue to squeeze until it flattens out? The closer in areas would feel an ever stronger force of gravity and the poles of the "egg" will feel a progressively weaker force of gravity.
The Earth is slightly squashed shaped because it spins. You weigh slightly less at the Equator than at the North or South Poles. (Centrifugal force) There is a complete BALANCE of Gravitational forces at the Center of the Earth because it is surrounded by the Earth's mass that is pulling in all directions. Therefore you would be weightless at the Earth's core. (But you would be crushed by the atmospheric density, assuming you could drill a hole that deep. )
 
runswithbeer said:
... (But you would be crushed by the atmospheric density, assuming you could drill a hole that deep. )
But atmospheric density is again mainly due to gravity, so no, one wouldn't be crushed by it.
 
xAxis said:
But atmospheric density is again mainly due to gravity, so no, one wouldn't be crushed by it.

There would still be a 4000 mile column of air or rock or whatever directly above you, which DOES feel the gravity of half the Earth on the other side. If you're in between, you WILL get crushed. You just might be weightless while doing so.
 
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Atmospheric density is due to pressure, not gravity. At the center of the Earth you would have zero gravity but enormous pressure.

[EDIT: and it is Lsos with the win!]
 
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