Can Polynomials in Two Variables Be Expressed in Different Forms?

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The discussion revolves around whether polynomials in two variables can be expressed in different forms, particularly focusing on the factorization of a specific polynomial Q(x,y) and its geometric interpretations. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant suggests that just as a polynomial in one variable can be factored, a polynomial in two variables might also be expressible in another form.
  • Another participant explains that a quadratic in two variables can represent various geometric figures and discusses the process of converting it into standard form by eliminating cross terms through coordinate rotation.
  • A participant directly asks if it is possible to factorize the polynomial Q(x,y), indicating a desire for clarity on this specific aspect.
  • One participant provides a detailed expansion of the product of two linear polynomials, leading to a system of equations that may not have a general solution, and discusses the implications of this in terms of geometric intersections in a multi-dimensional space.
  • Another participant proposes a specific form for Q(x,y) involving products of linear factors and seeks further ideas or suggestions from others.

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Participants express differing views on the factorization of polynomials in two variables, with some exploring geometric interpretations while others focus on algebraic structures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general feasibility of such factorizations.

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The discussion includes complex mathematical relationships and assumptions about the nature of polynomials and their geometric representations, which may not be universally applicable or resolved within the current context.

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If a polynomial of 1 variable, for example: P(x) = ax²+bx+c, can be written as P(x) = a(x-x1)(x-x2), so a polynomial of 2 variables like: Q(x,y) = ax²+bxy+cy²+dx+ey+f can be written of another form?
 
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You have a quadratic in two variables; if you plot it on the X-Y plane it will be a circle, ellipse, hyperbola, parabola, or a pair of lines. You can discover which by writing it in standard form and then calculating the discriminant:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/QuadraticCurveDiscriminant.html

Once you know the form you can rotate the coordinate system so that the cross terms disappear; use the vanishing of the cross term coefficient as the constraint.

Then put it into "standard form" for the particular geometric figure.

For a circle it will be (u-h)^2/r^2 + (v-g)^2/r^2 = 1, and similar for the other cases.
 
Actually, I'm asking if is possible to factorize the polynomial Q(x,y)!?
 
<br /> (px + qy + r)(sx + ty + u) = psx^2 + (pt + qs)xy + qty^2 + (pu + rs)x + (qu + rt)y + ru<br />

That gives you six equations in six unknowns.

There is no general solution, because you can pretty quickly eliminate s = a/p, t = c/q and u = f/r to end up with <br /> cp^2 + aq^2 = bpq \\<br /> fp^2 + ar^2 = dpr \\<br /> fq^2 + cr^2 = eqr. These are cylinders in (p,q,r) space whose cross-sections are conic sections in the (p,q), (p,r) and (q,r) planes respectively. There is no reason why these should all intersect (it's pretty easy to arrange three such cylinders of circular cross-section so that they don't intersect), and if they do all intersect they may do so at multiple points.
 
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pasmith said:
<br /> (px + qy + r)(sx + ty + u) = psx^2 + (pt + qs)xy + qty^2 + (pu + rs)x + (qu + rt)y + ru<br />

That gives you six equations in six unknowns.

There is no general solution, because you can pretty quickly eliminate s = a/p, t = c/q and u = f/r to end up with <br /> cp^2 + aq^2 = bpq \\<br /> fp^2 + ar^2 = dpr \\<br /> fq^2 + cr^2 = eqr. These are cylinders in (p,q,r) space whose cross-sections are conic sections in the (p,q), (p,r) and (q,r) planes respectively. There is no reason why these should all intersect (it's pretty easy to arrange three such cylinders of circular cross-section so that they don't intersect), and if they do all intersect they may do so at multiple points.

Nice!

I thought in something like this:
##Q(x,y) = A(x-a)(x-b) + B(x-c)(y-d) + C(y-e)(y-f)##

Do you have more ideias??
 

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