Can positrons create a time-traveling chain reaction in vacuum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of positrons potentially creating a time-traveling chain reaction in a vacuum, exploring theoretical implications and interpretations of particle interactions, particularly in relation to high-energy photon collisions and the nature of electrons and positrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a phenomenon where a photon striking a particle could lead to a chain reaction resulting in the photon being sent back in time.
  • Another participant mentions that when two high-energy photons collide, they can create an electron and a positron, suggesting that a positron is an electron traveling back in time.
  • This same participant references a concept attributed to Wheeler, proposing that all electrons in the universe might be the same electron moving through time.
  • A different participant expresses support for Wheeler's idea but questions how it aligns with experimental evidence showing that electrons can be created, indicating that they have a terminus.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the focus on positrons instead of photons, indicating a shift in their understanding of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the implications of Wheeler's idea, with some supporting it while others raise questions about its compatibility with experimental evidence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of electrons and positrons and their relationship to time travel.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the concepts involved, including the definitions of particles and the implications of time travel in quantum mechanics. There are references to specific literature that may provide additional context but do not resolve the ongoing questions.

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I remember reading somewhere about vacuum functions; where a photon strikes a particle, which produces a chain reaction that results in the photon being shot back through time to start the reaction. (Or something like that)

Now, since I've forgotten most of what I knew about this phenomenon, including what book I read it in, (and I read a lot of books, so it's no use going back to look for it) I was wondering if anybody here knew about such things. (Being able to describe the whole process at the particle level would be ideal.)

As a side note, this is my first post here, so hello everybody!
 
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When two photons of high energy collide, they create an electron and a positron. But a positron is just an electron traveling back in time. So by some piece of reasoning that I can't wrap my mind around at the moment, we conclude that it is possible that all the electrons in the universe are the same one.

That idea (Wheeler's?) was explained to me by one of my professors a few years ago.

This thread (https://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-29040.html) in the PF archives says that Feynman's book QED as well as John Gribbin's In search of Schrodingers Cat talk about it.

In that same thread, Robphy redirects the OP to this thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=25167
 
I certainly like Wheeler's idea of a single electron zinging back and forth through time so many times that it makes up all the electrons in the universe.

But how does that mesh with the experimental evidence that electrons can be created? They didn't pre-exist, so they have a terminus.

So maybe some electrons are as Wheeler suggests, and others aren't.
 
Ah, that's helpful! If nothing else, you've reminded me what book I read it in.
Also, you've reminded me that I've had the wrong particle in mind; I should be focusing on positrons, not photons.
 

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