Can Pulsars Provide More Accurate Time Standards Than Atomic Clocks?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time standards, specifically comparing atomic clocks with pulsars, which are rotating neutron stars. The original poster presents a problem related to calculating the associated uncertainty of a pulsar's rotation period, following a previous part of the question that involved calculating the time for multiple rotations.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the associated uncertainty but struggles with the definition and application of the term. Some participants question the meaning of "associated uncertainty" and discuss different types of uncertainty, such as relative and absolute uncertainty.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some expressing confusion about the terminology and the specific requirements of part (c). One participant suggests a potential approach to finding the uncertainty based on the previous answer, while another confirms understanding after clarifying the question's intent.

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There is a mention of the uncertainty in the pulsar's rotation period, which is critical to the problem but not fully defined in the discussion. The original poster also notes that they have the correct answer for part (b), which may influence their approach to part (c).

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Time standards are now based on atomic clocks. A promising second standard is based on pulsars, which are rotating neutron stars (highly compact stars consisting only of neutrons). Some rotate at a rate that is highly stable, sending out a radio beacon that sweeps briefly across Earth once with each rotation, like a lighthouse beacon. Suppose a pulsar rotates once every 1.434 806 448 872 75 4 ms, where the trailing 4 indicates the uncertainty in the last decimal place (it does not mean 4 ms).

(c) What is the associated uncertainty of this time?



I attempted to solve the problem find the average between 1.434 806 448 872 79 and 1.434 806 448 872 71 (in seconds, meaning i already divided by 1000m/s) yet I could not get the correct answer.
I also used the answer in part (b) as a base to find the average
That also failed.
I've got the correct answer for (b) but cannot figure out (c)

Heres (b) in case you were interested
b) How much time does the pulsar take to rotate 4.0 106 times? (Give your answer to at least 4 decimal places.)

answer is: 5739.225795

help please!
 
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Part (c) seems to ask for an associated uncertainty. So what is the definition of associated uncertainty? (It's not an average)
 
well i attempted 1.43480644887275/00000000000004
something like that

the problem here i guess is that i don't understand associated uncertainty.
any idea how to solve it/definition is?

please and thx
 
Well, I'm actually not quite sure what it means either. The terms I usually hear are "relative uncertainty" or just "uncertainty", or occasionally "absolute uncertainty".

Maybe the question means "What is the uncertainty associated with this time?" In that case they're just asking for the uncertainty, written out as a time (in milliseconds).
 
Figured out the answer.
Its actually very simple

Multiply 4.0x10^6 from (b)
by the uncertainty
(which is .000 000 000 000 04).
That gives you the answer in ms

My final answer required it to be in seconds
so I divided the ans by 1000 m/s
 
Ahhh, I see, they were asking for the uncertainty in the answer to part (b). I got thrown off a bit there because you wrote part (c) right after the introductory information.

Anyway, glad you figured it out.
 

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