Can Raman spectroscopy identify every substance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the capabilities of Raman spectroscopy in identifying various substances, exploring theoretical limits, practical challenges, and specific cases where identification may be problematic. It encompasses theoretical considerations, practical applications, and challenges in measurement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in theory, Raman spectroscopy can identify any substance due to the presence of active Raman modes in all point groups, though the measurement may be limited by the magnitude of these modes.
  • Questions arise regarding which substances may have Raman modes that are too small to measure effectively.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of a 5 milliwatt power output for Raman spectroscopy applications.
  • A participant notes that the theoretical applicability of Raman spectroscopy primarily pertains to bound substances with rotational and vibrational states, such as molecules and solids.
  • Challenges in obtaining Raman spectra from liquid samples are highlighted, suggesting that liquid state studies can be difficult.
  • It is suggested that monatomic gases, particularly noble gases, may be transparent to Raman spectroscopy unless they exhibit very-low-energy electronic transitions or are adsorbed onto surfaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capabilities and limitations of Raman spectroscopy, particularly regarding the identification of certain substances and the conditions under which it may be effective. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the nature of the substances being analyzed, the challenges associated with measuring small Raman signals, and the specific conditions required for effective Raman spectroscopy in different states of matter.

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Can raman spectroscopy identify any substance or are there certain
Substances raman spectroscopy cannot identify?
 
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in theory, yes. All point groups have active Raman modes, but the magnitude may not be large enough to measure.
 
What substances have raman modes
Too small to measure?
 
If somebody built a raman spectroscopy, is there any reason 5 milliwatts would be inadequate for this
Application?
 
Dr Transport said:
in theory, yes. All point groups have active Raman modes, but the magnitude may not be large enough to measure.

When you write "In theory, yes", will the OP have realized that you're answer applies only to bound substances with rotational and vibrational states: mainly molecules and solids (point groups)?

Obtaining raman spectra in liquid state studies can be difficult: https://www.researchgate.net/post/How_to_prepare_liquid_sample_for_Raman_spectrometer_to_get_good_spectrum

But unless they display very-low-energy electronic transitions, I would expect monatomic gases such as noble gases to be completely transparent to raman spectroscopy (except when adsorbed onto a surface, in which case such spectra have been observed, e.g. https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...hita/ce681015459750bb4dfc4882d3d125b2b5869046).

Regards - P
 

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