Can Reversing an Airfoil on a Prop Plane Still Create Lift?

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The discussion explores the aerodynamic implications of reversing the wing of a standard propeller plane, specifically whether lift can still be generated with the thinner edge facing forward. Participants examine various aspects of airfoil design, lift generation, and aerodynamic principles.

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  • Some participants suggest that reversing the wing may not generate lift due to the design principles of airfoils, particularly the orientation of the thicker edge.
  • Others argue that with the right angle of attack, lift could still be produced, although flow separation might be more likely.
  • A participant mentions that a flat plate can function as an airfoil if positioned at an appropriate angle of attack.
  • It is noted that a well-designed wing profile not only generates lift but also minimizes drag.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about lift generation when the rounded side is at the back, indicating that it may depend on the point of flow separation.
  • One participant references vintage aircraft that can fly inverted, highlighting the complexity of aerodynamics.
  • Discussion includes references to specific airfoil designs, such as the LRN1007 and the characteristics of sharp leading edges in supersonic airfoils.
  • Another participant challenges the reasoning behind the design of subsonic airfoils, suggesting that the primary purpose of a tapered trailing edge is to establish a rear stagnation point for lift generation, rather than solely to reduce turbulence.

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Participants express a range of views on the topic, with no clear consensus on whether reversing an airfoil would effectively generate lift. Multiple competing perspectives on airfoil design and lift generation remain present.

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The discussion highlights various assumptions about airfoil behavior, the role of angle of attack, and the complexities of aerodynamic principles, which may not be fully resolved within the conversation.

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Hi was trying to figure out what would happen if you reversed the wing of a standard prop plane? for example...the thinner wedge is towards the front. Would you still get lift? I suppose not since there is a reason the rounded/thicker edge is facing towards the front. but why not?
 
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udtsith said:
Would you still get lift?
With the right angle of attack, yes. But the flow would be more likely to separate.
 
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A flat plate can be an airfoil at an angle of attack.
 
There is more to a wing than just to provide Lift. A well designed wing profile provides lift yet it also keeps the Drag low.
 
Actually, due to the rounded side being in the back, you may or may not generate lift (or at least very little) depending on where separation occurs.
 
Vintage aircrafts can easily fly on their back. And on youtube I saw a test pilot flying a barrel roll with a 707.
Aerodynamics of aircrafts are a rather complicated issue.
 
A sharp leading edge (LE) can work at very low Reynold's numbers. Dr. Michael Selig tested the LRN1007 airfoil and it performed well.

There are airfoils with a sharp LE and blunt trailing edge (TE), e.g. X-15, but they're designed for supersonic operation. Subsonic airfoils have a tapered trailing edge that comes to a sharp point in order to avoid a turbulent wake and associated bluff body drag.
 

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That's not why typical subsonic airfoils come to a point (or at least not the primary reason). See, for example, flatback airfoils commonly found on wind turbines. It's primary purpose is actually setting the rear stagnation point so that a net circulation can develop around the airfoil and lift can be generated. Any reduction in the turbulence of the wake is a bonus.
 

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