Can Schrödinger's Cat's State Be Measured Through Gravity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of measuring Schrödinger's cat's state through gravitational effects, exploring the intersection of quantum mechanics and gravity. Participants examine whether the cat's state can be determined without direct interaction with the wave function, particularly in the context of various interpretations of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that measuring the gravitational field around Schrödinger's cat could reveal its state (alive or dead) based on its effects on gravity, suggesting that this measurement does not require interaction with the wave function.
  • Others argue that the gravitational field itself constitutes an interaction, drawing parallels to measuring a charged object's Coulomb field.
  • A participant questions the relationship between the Coulomb field and the wave equation, suggesting a distinction in how these fields are treated in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant challenges this understanding, implying that the previous assertion about the Coulomb field being contained in the wave equation is incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether gravitational effects can be used to measure the cat's state without direct interaction with the wave function. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing interpretations and understandings of the relationship between gravitational and electromagnetic fields in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics, the assumptions about measurement interactions, and the unresolved nature of the relationship between different fields in the context of quantum theory.

jon4444
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I realize that Schrödinger intended this thought experiment as a way to show how absurd the interpretation of a cat being in two states was. I don't understand how that interpretation can be entertained in the first place due to gravity.

Say you were measuring the gravitational field (very accurately) around the experiment. You could detect whether the cat was alive or dead based on its effect on gravity (either cause it's moving around or not or breathing or not). Thus the cat's state is "measurable" without interacting it through the wave function.

Similarly for any "multiple worlds" interpretation of qm--if there are multiple worlds why can't we measure the alternative wave functions through their gravitation effects on the "version" of the wave functions we live in?
 
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jon4444 said:
Say you were measuring the gravitational field (very accurately) around the experiment. You could detect whether the cat was alive or dead based on its effect on gravity (either cause it's moving around or not or breathing or not). Thus the cat's state is "measurable" without interacting it through the wave function.
Its gravitational field IS an interaction. No different if the cat were charged, and you monitored its Coulomb field.
 
Bill_K said:
Its gravitational field IS an interaction. No different if the cat were charged, and you monitored its Coulomb field.

But I thought its Coulomb field would be something "contained" in wave equation, whereas its gravitational field would not...
 
jon4444 said:
But I thought its Coulomb field would be something "contained" in wave equation, whereas its gravitational field would not...
Well you were wrong, then, weren't you. :smile:
 

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