Can someone explain this equation for Reynolds' number?

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The discussion revolves around the Reynolds number and its relationship with flow rate and pipe diameter, particularly in the context of British Standard 6891:2015 for gas pipework. Participants explore the implications of the formula provided in the standard and how it contrasts with common understandings of Reynolds number in fluid dynamics.

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  • One participant notes that the Reynolds number is typically proportional to pipe diameter, while the British Standard formula suggests it is inversely proportional, raising a question about this discrepancy.
  • Another participant supports the idea that Reynolds number is proportional to the inverse of cross-sectional area, suggesting that less viscous materials flow better in wider pipes.
  • A participant provides a mathematical derivation showing that Reynolds number can be expressed in terms of flow rate, leading to the conclusion that it is inversely proportional to diameter when expressed this way.
  • Another participant agrees with the mathematical expression but claims that integration is unnecessary for deriving the relationship.
  • One participant emphasizes that the apparent proportionalities in equations can be misleading due to interdependencies of variables.
  • A later reply challenges a specific detail in the mathematical derivation regarding the denominator in the final equation.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the Reynolds number in relation to pipe diameter and flow rate. There is no consensus on the implications of the British Standard formula versus traditional interpretations.

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Some participants highlight that the relationship between Reynolds number, flow rate, and diameter can lead to confusion due to the dependencies between these variables, and there are unresolved mathematical details regarding the derivations presented.

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The following is quoted from British Standard 6891:2015, the standard for the installation of domestic gas pipework:

"In the UK, the Reynolds number is taken to be equivalent to:
25 043 x Q/d for natural gas; and
83 955 x Q/d for LPG."

[Q = flow rate, cubic metre per hour, d = pipe diameter, mm]

In every internet source I've looked at, Reynolds' number is proportional to pipe diameter; in this BS 6891 formula it's inversely proportional. How can this be?
 
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I am not versed at all in fluid dynamics, but a brief scour of a few reliable (I believe( locations seemed to support that indeed the Re is proportional to the inverse cross-section area. This also makes sense, since less viscous material would flow 'better' in a wider pipe.
 
Jehannum said:
The following is quoted from British Standard 6891:2015, the standard for the installation of domestic gas pipework:

"In the UK, the Reynolds number is taken to be equivalent to:
25 043 x Q/d for natural gas; and
83 955 x Q/d for LPG."

[Q = flow rate, cubic metre per hour, d = pipe diameter, mm]

In every internet source I've looked at, Reynolds' number is proportional to pipe diameter; in this BS 6891 formula it's inversely proportional. How can this be?

Reynolds number Re = uL/ν can be re-written by substituting in an expression for the velocity u (say, Poiseulle flow) and integrating to obtain an expression in terms of the volume flow instead of the pressure gradient. When all is done, Re = 4Q/πνd for cylindrical pipes.
 
Andy Resnick said:
Reynolds number Re = uL/ν can be re-written by substituting in an expression for the velocity u (say, Poiseulle flow) and integrating to obtain an expression in terms of the volume flow instead of the pressure gradient. When all is done, Re = 4Q/πνd for cylindrical pipes.
This equation is correct, but no integration is required.
 
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I solved this problem and learned something in the solving.

Re = density . v . d / viscosity [eqn. 1]

Q = v . cross-section = velocity . pi . (d / 2)^2

Transposing: v = 4 Q / (pi . d^2) [eqn. 2]

Substituting eqn. 2 into eqn. 1: Re = 4 . Q . density . d / (pi . d^2 . viscosity)

Therefore Re is inversely proportional to diameter when the relation is expressed in terms of flow rate, and Re is directly proportional to diameter when the relation is expressed in terms of velocity.

What I learned was the surface-level proportionalities you see in equations can be misleading when variables are not independent.
 
Jehannum said:
I solved this problem and learned something in the solving.

Re = density . v . d / viscosity [eqn. 1]

Q = v . cross-section = velocity . pi . (d / 2)^2

Transposing: v = 4 Q / (pi . d^2) [eqn. 2]

Substituting eqn. 2 into eqn. 1: Re = 4 . Q . density . d / (pi . d^2 . viscosity)

Therefore Re is inversely proportional to diameter when the relation is expressed in terms of flow rate, and Re is directly proportional to diameter when the relation is expressed in terms of velocity.

What I learned was the surface-level proportionalities you see in equations can be misleading when variables are not independent.
That should not be a d^2 in the denominator of your last equation.
 

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