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The discussion revolves around the modular arithmetic statement that if gcd(a,m) > 1, then the congruence ax ≡ 1 (mod m) is impossible. Participants are exploring the implications of the gcd condition on the existence of solutions to the congruence.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand why the condition gcd(a,m) > 1 affects the possibility of the congruence being true. There is a focus on the relationship between divisibility and the properties of gcd in the context of modular arithmetic.

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Some participants are questioning the assumptions made about divisibility in the context of the congruence. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the gcd condition, with attempts to clarify misunderstandings about the nature of modular relations.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the necessity of m dividing ax and 1 versus ax - 1, which is central to the discussion. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of having a common factor between a and m.

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Homework Statement


If gcd(a,m) > 1, then ax [itex]\equiv[/itex] 1 (mod m) is impossible.


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There is no solution per se, only an explanation. I know that m would have to divide ax and 1. Since only 1 divides 1, the statement is impossible. But that doesn't explain how the condition, gcd(a,m) > 1, is relevant. Furthermore, if the gcd(a,m) were 1, the statement would be true. Why is it that when the gcd > 1 that the congruence is impossible?
 
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countzander said:

Homework Statement


If gcd(a,m) > 1, then ax [itex]\equiv[/itex] 1 (mod m) is impossible.


Homework Equations


N/A


The Attempt at a Solution


There is no solution per se, only an explanation. I know that m would have to divide ax and 1. Since only 1 divides 1, the statement is impossible. But that doesn't explain how the condition, gcd(a,m) > 1, is relevant. Furthermore, if the gcd(a,m) were 1, the statement would be true. Why is it that when the gcd > 1 that the congruence is impossible?

No, m doesn't have to divide ax and 1. m would have to divide ax-1. If gcd(a,m)=k then k would divide m and a. Think this through again.
 
Yes, m most certainly does divide ax and 1. It's a modular congruence relation. Because m divides the difference it must also divide the minuend and the subtrahend. At least, that should be true. But for some reason, the gcd's being greater than 1 prevents that because the congruence relationship is impossible.

Can no one explain this?
 
countzander said:
Yes, m most certainly does divide ax and 1. It's a modular congruence relation. Because m divides the difference it must also divide the minuend and the subtrahend.
7 divides 10-3. That doesn't mean 7 divides 10 and 3.
m has a factor in common with a, but bit need not divide a.
 

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