Can someone help me solve this tricky definite integral?

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The discussion revolves around solving a definite integral related to finding the cross section of a circle with a radius of 2, filled with water up to a height of 1.5. Participants explore various approaches to set up and evaluate the integral, while expressing confusion and seeking clarification on their methods.

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  • One participant presents their integral formulation and claims to have obtained a specific result, but expresses confusion over the negative value encountered when evaluating the definite integral.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral may not be set up correctly and emphasizes the importance of including the variable of integration in the expression.
  • A participant acknowledges the omission of the notation for dx but insists that they used it in their original equation. They note that the linked article provides a different approach that does not rely on calculus.
  • One participant proposes a substitution method involving trigonometric identities to simplify the integral, indicating progress in their solution process.
  • Another participant reiterates the importance of sketching the problem to better understand the integral formulation and suggests that adjustments may be necessary.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct setup of the integral or the evaluation process. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, with some participants questioning the initial formulation and others exploring alternative methods.

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There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the setup of the integral, and participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to evaluate the definite integral. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the problem.

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I am trying to find the integral to this equation in order to obtain the cross section of a circle that has a radius = 2 and is filled with water up to 1.5.

For some reason, no matter what I do I cannot find the correct solution to this integral. Solving it myself I obtain:

∫√(4-(x-2)^2) dx = (x-2)/2 * √(4-(x-2)^2) + 2arcsin((x-2)/2).

[itex]\int[/itex][itex]\sqrt{4-(x-2)^{2}} dx[/itex] = [itex]((x-2)/2)\sqrt{(4-(x-2)^2)}[/itex] [itex]+ 2arcsin((x-2)/2)[/itex]

Then solving for the definite integral of a=0 and b=1.5 I get: -29.439.


Using Wolfram Alpha I get:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral+of+(4-(x-2)^2)^0.5

But I cannot solve the definite integral from a=0 and b=1.5 because the equation square roots a negative value.


Using Symbolab I get:
http://symbolab.com/math/solver/step-by-step/calculus/definite-integral-calculator/%5Cint%5Csqrt%7B4-%5Cleft(x-2%5Cright)%5E%7B2%7D%7D

But unfortunately when I solve for the definite integral from a=0 and b=1.5, I get the exact same result I did when I formulated the equation myself.


Can anyone tell me what I am screwing up? I am so confused >.>
 
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I'm not sure you have your integral set up correctly (always include the variable of integration dx in your integral expression.)

However, maybe this article can give you some ideas about the correct approach:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_segment
 
It seems I did just forget the notation for dx in my equation. However, I solved using with dx in my original equation. That link you posted is useful for calculating the area of the circlular segment as well, but it does not take a calculus approach in order to solve it. It simple takes the area of the circle segment, subtracted by triangle within that segment of the circle.
 
I think I'm getting somewhere, probably can use more trig identities to solve it completely:
u=x-2, du=dx
$$\int \sqrt{4-u^{2}}du$$
Then trig sub. u=2siny, du=2cosydy and end up with:
$$\int 4cos^{2}(y)dy$$

Hmm can keep going I think that's right so far.
 
Killswitch said:
It seems I did just forget the notation for dx in my equation. However, I solved using with dx in my original equation. That link you posted is useful for calculating the area of the circlular segment as well, but it does not take a calculus approach in order to solve it. It simple takes the area of the circle segment, subtracted by triangle within that segment of the circle.

That's why when setting up an integral, it's sometimes helpful to draw a sketch of what it is you are trying to determine. I think if you do that for your problem, you will see that your integral formulation requires some adjustment.
 

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