Can Spectroscopy Be Used to Test Arsenic in Applesauce?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using spectroscopy, specifically Surface-Enhanced Raman Spectroscopy (SERS), to test for arsenic in applesauce. Participants explore methods of sample preparation and the challenges associated with detecting arsenic in a complex mixture like applesauce.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests preparing applesauce for spectroscopy to test for arsenic but questions what solvent would be appropriate for dissolving it.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of first deciding what to test for before selecting a method and sample preparation technique.
  • A participant proposes using SERS in their lab to test for arsenic, considering making homemade applesauce to subtract the spectra from store-bought applesauce to reduce noise.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of the homemade applesauce containing arsenic compounds, questioning the assumption that arsenic is not added during production.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the separation technique and the potential complexity of the mixture, with a participant noting their inexperience in the area.
  • A question is posed about whether the goal is to determine total arsenic or to speciate arsenic, highlighting the complexity of interpreting results from a toxicity perspective.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to testing for arsenic in applesauce, with no consensus on the best method or the implications of the results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of sample preparation and the interpretation of arsenic levels.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the appropriate solvent for dissolving applesauce, the complexity of the mixture potentially affecting results, and the unresolved question of whether total arsenic or speciation is being targeted.

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I was thinking of preparing applesauce for some type of spectroscopy( ex: Raman). I was thinking of testing it for arsenic. Does anyone have any idea what applesauce would dissolve in ( I realize this is more of a biology question).
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You are putting things on the head. First, you have to decide what you are going to test for. Then, you select a method. Then, you select a way of preparing the sample. You don't start with "what solvent should I use if I don't know what and how I want to do".
 
Ok I'm testing for arsenic in applesauce. I was thinking of using SERS since that is the lab I'm working in right now. To reduce the noise, I thought I could make some homemade applesauce and subtract the spectra from the store bought applesauce. I'm not sure about the separation technique but I could probably dissolve the applesauce in some solvent and then use the solvent as a baseline ( though there might be too many compounds inside the mixture). Keep in mind I'm pretty inexperienced. Thanks a lot.
 
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Ok I'm testing for arsenic in applesauce. I was thinking of using SERS since that is the lab I'm working in right now. To reduce the noise, I thought I could make some homemade applesauce and subtract the spectra from the store bought applesauce.
It's a good thought but you cannot guarantee that your apple doesn't have any arsenic compounds. Arsenic is not added to apples during applesauce production, is it?

I'm not sure about the separation technique but I could probably dissolve the applesauce in some solvent and then use the solvent as a baseline ( though there might be too many compounds inside the mixture). Keep in mind I'm pretty inexperienced. Thanks a lot.
Are you trying to determine total arsenic (possibly meaningless from a toxicity POV) or you trying to 'speciate' arsenic in this sample?
 

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