Can the Limit of Sin(x) as x Approaches Infinity be Proven Graphically?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of sin(x) as x approaches infinity, specifically questioning whether this limit can be proven graphically. Participants explore the nature of the limit and its existence within the context of calculus.

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  • Participants discuss the undefined nature of the limit and question the reasoning behind this. Some suggest using the sequential criterion for limits to demonstrate that sin(x) does not converge as x approaches infinity. Others emphasize the importance of understanding the oscillatory behavior of sin(x) and its bounded range.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various perspectives on why the limit does not exist. Some have suggested graphical proof as a straightforward method, while others are probing deeper into the definitions and properties of limits.

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There are mentions of different sequences converging to infinity and the implications of finite periodic functions on limit existence. Some participants express confusion over the definitions and properties of sin(x) within the context of limits.

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lim(x->infinity) sin(x)






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Why do you think that?
Please give an argument.
And please say what knowledge you have of limits (basis calculus, real analysis, etc)
 
Can you give a proof why this limit doesn't exist?

The sequential criterion for limits is handy, if you know this criterion.

The sequential criterion for limits is:

[itex]\lim_{x \to a}f(x)=b[/itex] iff for every sequence x_n in the extended real numbers (abstractly, the domain of f) converging to a has the property that f(x_n) converges to b.

Can you think of a sequence converging to infinity such that sin(x) converges? Can you think of another sequence converging to infinity such that sin(x) converges to a different value?
 
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I don't think you should just say that the limit is something or other. If you want to take limits in simple non-series functions, then you should look at the outer rims of the function.

For example sin(x) is defined as -1 < x < 1. Now you must work out if the limit is negative or positive infinity. And you should look at the definition that ZioX posted. It comes in handy.
 
Sartre said:
Now you must work out if the limit is negative or positive infinity.
Or doesn't exist :smile:
Which is what he said (just didn't prove yet).
 
In other words, everyone is saying "yes, the limit doesn't exist, but you must tell why it doesn't exist"!
 
CompuChip said:
Or doesn't exist :smile:
Which is what he said (just didn't prove yet).

Actually I reviewed this part of calculus a couple of days ago. So it is my bad om that one ;)

And the simplest proof of seeing that the limit doesn't exist is graphical.
 
Ziox showed it doesn't exist.

x=2n*(pi)
x=(2n+1/2)*(pi)
when n->infinite, then got two different values.
 
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Sartre said:
For example sin(x) is defined as -1 < x < 1. Now you must work out if the limit is negative or positive infinity. And you should look at the definition that ZioX posted. It comes in handy.
This is non-sense. x can be any real number. I think what you meant was that if y= sin(x) then [itex]-1\le y\le 1[/itex]. And you don't need to "work out if the limit is negative or positive infinity"- it's neither one, it just doesnt' exist.
 
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The point is that the limit as x approaches infinity of finite period functions does not exist, as it will oscillate between the range of the function.
 
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Sartre said:
And the simplest proof of seeing that the limit doesn't exist is graphical.

Depends what you call a proof. And how rigorous a proof you want.
 

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