Can the Scharnhorst Effect Be Overcome by Gravity in a Long Tube?

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The discussion centers on the potential for overcoming the Scharnhorst effect using gravity within a long tube. The Casimir effect plays a crucial role, as it suggests that a smaller tube generates stronger vacuum forces, which could allow light to propagate faster than light (FTL) within a gravitational well created by the tube's walls. Participants argue that while existing literature does not convincingly rule out FTL signaling, their own interpretations challenge the notion that the Casimir effect generates gravity, emphasizing that the pressure involved is purely virtual radiation pressure.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst_effect

I found one attempt to explain why it can't be used for FTL signalling:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0107091
but I don’t find that article convincing.

But I’ve got an alternative idea. Say, we make a very long tube. Because of the Casimir effect the smaller the tube is the stronger is the force vacuum applies to the tube and the stronger the Scharnhorst effect is at the same time. But in order to resist the Casimir effect the walls of the tube must resist pressure, hence, they create gravity (even if we forget about the atoms they made of). So light will propagate inside the tube FTL, but, it will be in the gravitational well. So, that effect (even it is tiny) can overweight the Scharnhorst effect which is even tinier.

In fact the gravity from the walls will be stronger for any realistic material, but I bet the pressure alone is enough and it is more fun to prove that it is independent of the material. Am I right?
 
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Dmitry67 said:
I found one attempt to explain why it can't be used for FTL signalling:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0107091
but I don’t find that article convincing.
They do not say that it cannot be used for FTL signalling. They say that it can be used for FTL signalling, but that it does not lead to causal paradoxes or logical inconsistencies (like grandfather paradox etc.).

Anyway, I also have not found their argument convincing, so I have made my own:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0403121
 
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#1: In any situation where light is not trapped (black hole), it doesn't slow down. It "stretches" or redshifts.
#2: Casmir effect does not create gravity. The force exerted on it is all virtual radiation pressure.

Hope this helps. (:
 

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