Can the Sum of Powers Over an Integral Approach 1 as n Tends to Infinity?

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The discussion centers around the mathematical inquiry into the limit of the ratio of the sum of powers of integers to the integral of the corresponding function as \( n \) approaches infinity, specifically exploring the expression \(\frac{1+2^p+3^p+\ldots+n^p}{\int_0^{n}dxx^p}\) and whether it approaches 1 for \( p > 0 \).

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  • One participant seeks to prove the limit of the given expression as \( n \) tends to infinity.
  • Another participant suggests using a graphical approach with rectangles under the curve of \( y = x^p \) to establish an upper bound for the sequence, indicating that the sequence is increasing.
  • A third participant references the integral comparison test as a method of proof relevant to the inquiry and mentions the well-known formula for the sum of powers of integers.
  • A later reply provides a proof by induction for the sum of powers, utilizing the binomial theorem and telescoping sums, and cites a reference for further reading.

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Participants present various approaches and methods to tackle the problem, but there is no consensus on a single method or resolution of the inquiry. Multiple competing views and techniques are discussed without agreement on a definitive proof or conclusion.

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The discussion includes various mathematical techniques and assumptions, such as the use of induction and the integral comparison test, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions or the completeness of the proofs presented.

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i would like to know how to prove this equality:

[tex]\frac{1+2^p+3^p+...+n^p}{\int_0^{n}dxx^p}\rightarrow{1}[/tex]

for [tex]n\rightarrow{\infty}[/tex] of course p>0

i don,t know if is repeated (sorry in that case)..
 
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Draw the graph of y= xp. Now draw a series of rectangles, base from x= 1 to 2, height 1p= 1, base 2 to 3, height 2p, etc. Observe that each rectangle lies under the graph and so the total area of the rectangles (up to x= n) is less than the area under the curve. That is, 1 is an upper bound for the sequence as n goes to infinity. It should not be difficult to show that the sequence is increasing.
 
Go look at the integral comparison test. The method of proof is exactly what you want. (And what Integral describes)

But, the sum is "well-known" (for integer exponents):

[tex]1^k + 2^k + 3^k + \cdots + n^k = \frac{n^{k+1} }{k+1} + \frac{n^k}{2} + O(n^{k-1})[/tex]
 
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it is easy to prove the sum ^k + ...+n^k, equals n^(k+1)/[k+1] + O(n^k), by induction.
just use the binomial theorem on (a+1)^(k+1) - a^(k+1). Expand and add up over all a=1,...,n.
you get a telescoping sum that shows (n+1)^(k+1) - 1^(k+1)
= (k+1) )(1^k +...+n^k) + sums of all lower powers of integers summed from 1 to n.
QED.
reference, p.27 of courant's calculus book vol 1, in the precalculus section.
 

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