Can the Sum of Two Sums be Substituted in a Function?

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The discussion revolves around the substitution of sums in the context of a mathematical expression involving series and functions. The original poster presents a function defined by a sum that includes a term dependent on a variable Z, questioning whether the sum can be separated into distinct components based on a known contribution for n=0.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore whether it is valid to substitute a sum in a function when certain terms are known. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the validity of this substitution, while others point out that the dependency of Z on n complicates the situation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the implications of the dependency of Z on n. There is no consensus reached, as some participants maintain that the substitution is not valid due to the changing nature of Z, while the original poster reflects on potential misunderstandings in their assumptions.

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There is a noted concern regarding the contribution of terms in the sum and how the function behaves with respect to the variable Z, which may vary across different n values. The original poster acknowledges a previous error in their formulation, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Hi all.

Lets assume that we know the following:

[tex] \sum\limits_{n = - \infty }^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t) = a_0 + \sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t),[/tex]

where a0 is the contribution for n=0. Now I have an expression for a function f given by the following:

[tex] f = \sum\limits_{n = - \infty }^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t)\frac{1}{{Z(\omega _n )}}.[/tex]

Am I allowed to write f as this?:

[tex] f = a_0 \frac{1}{{Z(\omega _0 )}} + \sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t)\frac{1}{{Z(\omega _n )}},[/tex]

i.e. substitute the sum? Personally, I think yes, but I am a little unsure, which is why I thought it would be best to check here. Thanks in advance.Niles.
 
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Niles said:

Homework Statement


Hi all.

Lets assume that we know the following:

[tex] \sum\limits_{n = - \infty }^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t) = a_0 + \sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t),[/tex]
This appears to be saying that
[tex]\sum\limites_{n=-\infty}^{-1}\varepsilon_n(t)}\exp(-i\omega_n t)= 0[/itex]<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> where a<sub>0</sub> is the contribution for n=0. Now I have an expression for a function f given by the following:<br /> <br /> [tex] f = \sum\limits_{n = - \infty }^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t)\frac{1}{{Z(\omega _n )}}.[/tex]<br /> <br /> Am I allowed to write f as this?: <br /> <br /> [tex] f = a_0 \frac{1}{{Z(\omega _0 )}} + \sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t)\frac{1}{{Z(\omega _n )}},[/tex]<br /> <br /> i.e. substitute the sum? Personally, I think yes, but I am a little unsure, which is why I thought it would be best to check here. Thanks in advance.<br /> <br /> <br /> Niles. </div> </div> </blockquote> But that does NOT mean that<br /> <br /> [tex]\sum\limits_{n = -\infty}^{-1} {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t)\frac{1}{{Z(\omega _n )}}= 0[/tex]<br /> since the [itex]Z(\omega_n)[/itex] term may change the contribution of each indvidual term in the sum.[/tex]
 
Aw man, I made an error in my first post. Very stupid of me, because now I made you look at something which was not my intention; I am very sorry for that.

What I meant to write is the following (I'm still really sorry, I should have taken a closer look before posting):

Lets assume that we know the following:
[tex] \sum\limits_{n = - \infty }^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t) = a_0 + \sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {n^2} \exp ( - i\omega _n t).[/tex]

Now we look at an expression for a function f given by the following:
[tex] f = \sum\limits_{n = - \infty }^\infty {\varepsilon _n (t)} \exp ( - i\omega _n t)\frac{1}{{Z(\omega _n )}}.[/tex]

Am I allowed to write f as:
[tex] f = a_0 \frac{1}{{Z(\omega _0 )}} + \sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {n^2} \exp ( - i\omega _n t)\frac{1}{{Z(\omega _n )}}.[/tex]

I have double-checked, and the formulas are correct now. Sorry, again.Niles.
 
And the answer is still "No". Because [itex]Z(\omega_n)[/itex] may be different for different n, it can completely change the sum.
 
I had actually hoped that you would answer "Yes", because the "No" means that my calculations are wrong. But the quantity [itex]Z(\omega_n)[/itex] does depend on n, so it is different for different n.

I will have to think about this. I guess I made a wrong assumption along the way.. I do that sometimes (as we can also see from this thread :smile:).

Thanks for helping, I really do appreciate it.
 

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