Can this equation have more than one zero?

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The discussion revolves around the equation x = Ae^{at} + Be^{bt}, where participants are tasked with exploring the conditions under which this equation can have zeros. The problem is situated within the context of exponential functions and their behavior, particularly in relation to their roots and derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to show that the equation can have at most one zero by manipulating the equation and considering the implications of constants A, B, a, and b. Some participants question the validity of logarithmic manipulations and the implications of the derived expressions. Others explore the relationship between the constants and the existence of roots.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the reasoning behind the number of zeros and the conditions for the derivatives at t=0. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the equations and potential approaches, but there is no explicit consensus on the conclusions drawn from the discussions so far.

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There are constraints regarding the signs of constants a and b, which are noted to be negative, and the implications of A and B being either positive or negative. Participants express uncertainty about the relationships between these constants and their impact on the function's behavior.

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Homework Statement



Consider x = Ae^{at} + Be^{bt}

a) Show this can have at most one zero.
b) Show that if x(t)=0 for t>0, then either x(0)>0 and x'(0)<0; or x(0)<0 and x'(0)>0

The Attempt at a Solution



a)

x = Ae^{at} + Be^{bt}
0 = Ae^{at} + Be^{bt}
0 = ln(Ae^{at} + Be^{bt}}
0 = ln(A) + ln(e^{at}) + ln(B) + e^{bt}
0 = ln(A) + ln(B) + at + bt
0 = ln(AB) + t(a+b)
t=\frac{-ln(AB)}{a+b}
A,B,a, and b are constants so that's a distinct solution and the equation has just one zero, right?b)

t>0
a,b<0 (I think that was given in class)x = Ae^{at} + Be^{bt} [/itex] <br /> x&#039; = aAe^{at} + bBe^{bt}so after some manipulation I got<br /> <br /> x = ln(AB) + t(a+b) <br /> x&#039; = ln(abAB) + t(a+b)In both these equations, I think the first term would be positive and the second term negative. I don&#039;t see how to reach the &quot;either x(0)&gt;0 and x&#039;(0)&lt;0; or x(0)&lt;0 and x&#039;(0)&gt;0&quot; conclusion. Any help?<br /> <br /> Thank you very much.<br /> <br /> p.s. I was trying to use latex for this post but couldn&#039;t get line breaks to work. How do I get equations on different lines? I tried \\ but nothing happened.
 
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For your "equations on lines question"
- start with the usual tex tags at beginning and end
- you need to use \begin{align*} and \end{align*} inside the tex tags.
-Put one equation on each line: use an ampersand ("&") at the spot where you wish the equations to line up. On this forum I typically put this before an equal or inequality sign
- To end one line and begin a new one, use // at the end. Do not do this at the end
of your final equation, or you will have extra blank space

When it comes to your work there is an error in the second line: note that

<br /> \ln{(Ae^{at} + Be^{bt})} \ne \ln A + \ln{e^{at}} + \ln B + \ln{e^{bt}}<br />

even though your work states the two sides are equal. It is impossible to simplify \ln(X + Y) into sums.
(I foolishly hit Post rather than preview, so I have to edit my message to finish)

so that all of your work after this point is incorrect.

To address the question about the zero: perhaps start this way (perhaps in the line of a suggestion to you rather than an open question) (by the way, I'm using the align* idea in the work below)
Begin by assuming there is a solution.

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> Ae^{at} + Be^{bt} &amp; = 0\\<br /> e^{at} \left(A + Be^{b-a}t\right) &amp; = 0\\<br /> \end{align*}<br />

The first factor above can't be zero, so the second one, in parentheses, must be. That will give you some information about the unknown constants in your question.
 
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I don't see how A + Be^{(b-a)t} = 0 would tell me that there is at most one zero. Could you elaborate a little?

Also any ideas on part b?

Thanks
 
epsilonzero said:
I don't see how A + Be^{(b-a)t} = 0 would tell me that there is at most one zero. Could you elaborate a little?

Also any ideas on part b?

Thanks

Did you really try to solve A+ Be^{(b-a)t}= 0? What happens? How many roots do you get.
 
I got t=(ln(-A/B))/(b-a)

So I just say that's at most 1 root if either A or B is negative?

For the second part I have

x(0) = Ae^(a*0)+Be^(b*0) = A + B
x'(0) = Aae^(a*0)+Bbe^(b*0) = Aa + Bb

I know 0=Ae^(a*t)+Be^(b*t) so Ae^(at)=-Be^(bt)

a,b<0 and t>0

Now I'm stuck at what to do next. I don't know anything about the relative sizes of a, b, A and B so I can't make any conclusion about the signs of x(0) and x'(0). Any ideas?
 
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