Can this explain the double-slit experiment by a classical way?

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The discussion revolves around the classical explanation of the double-slit experiment, particularly whether a classical model can adequately account for the observed interference patterns typically associated with quantum phenomena. Participants explore various perspectives on the applicability of classical mechanics to this experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the behavior of matter as waves in the double-slit experiment could be explained through a classical model involving paths taken by particles.
  • Another participant argues that the initial conditions in the double-slit experiment are identical and that a classical model would not yield the same distribution of results as observed, emphasizing the need for quantitative predictions.
  • A different participant mentions that simulating a "bouncing ball" system does not produce an interference pattern unless a very specific initial distribution is used, indicating limitations in classical explanations.
  • One participant references a past simulation experience that failed to replicate the interference pattern, suggesting that classical models are insufficient without contrived conditions.
  • Another participant highlights the necessity of considering electromagnetic radiation from walls in any classical model, which complicates the scenario further.
  • There is a warning about proposing new theories without adhering to forum rules, suggesting that some contributions may be outside the accepted framework of discussion.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the viability of classical explanations for the double-slit experiment. Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting that classical models cannot replicate the observed phenomena while others explore the potential for classical interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of quantitative calculations and specific initial conditions in classical models, as well as the challenges posed by electromagnetic effects, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hello.
I found it very strange that matter behave as a wave and started thinking a lot...
I have seen a video previously explaining this experiment and when I saw this:
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In red is the first path and in blue the second path.
Could it be the answer?
At the end of the video, in the screen of the experiment, we can see two big lines and at the edges lines that goes lighter just like experiments using electrons.
Also the electrons are small, so if they collide with wall they would be a bigger pattern just like in the double-slit experiment.
No?


Thank you.
 
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This is a common fallacy.

Remember that in the double slit experiment, the initial condition is IDENTICAL all the time, i.e. you have a monoenergetic beam with a very specific momentum. That's the idealized starting condition.

What this means classically is that all the "balls" can be aimed exactly at a particular location ALL THE TIME. I can hit that same slit and at the wall of the slit identically every single time! If that's the case, what do you think is the result after these balls passes through the slits? Do you think you'll get the same distribution?

Secondly, and this is crucial to understand especially if you are not in science. You simply cannot make a handwaving argument such as this. There must be some quantitative estimation of the result, i.e. you need to use some sort of a classical distribution and make a quantitative prediction on how the result will look like. Physics isn't just saying "what goes up must come down". It must also say "when and where it comes down". So for your proposal to be taken seriously, it MUST have that quantitative calculation. And for this case, you need to show what your initial momentum/energy distribution of the balls are, and then calculate the trajectory of these balls if they hit either one single spot on the slit, of multiple spots on the slits, and then show the distribution pattern on the screen.

Otherwise, it is a handwaving argument.

BTW, you might want to also consider how you would apply your scenario when I show you a similar interference pattern made by superconducting current when they pass through two different circuit branches. It is the identical experiment to the double slit. Or, use the Michaelson-Morley interferrometer where instead of two slits, you instead have a beam splitter that separates the beam into two different paths. Where is the equivalent "bounce off the slit walls" in those two examples?

Zz.
 
Also, if you actually simulate a "bouncing ball" system like this you will find that you will still not get anynthing similar to an interference pattern, unless you specify a VERY contrived initial distribution (not to mention the right width and thickness of the slits etc).

So no, it does not work.

A friend of my wrote a simulation like this as an excersise when we were undergraduates (I guess we must have been working on Monte Carlo techniques), I don't think it is available on the web anymore (this was 15 years ago); but there must be other applets out there that will do the same thing.
 
f95toli said:
Also, if you actually simulate a "bouncing ball" system like this you will find that you will still not get anynthing similar to an interference pattern, unless you specify a VERY contrived initial distribution (not to mention the right width and thickness of the slits etc).

So no, it does not work.

A friend of my wrote a simulation like this as an excersise when we were undergraduates (I guess we must have been working on Monte Carlo techniques), I don't think it is available on the web anymore (this was 15 years ago); but there must be other applets out there that will do the same thing.

It do when I made a 2 dimensional simulation.
Also the wall is radiating electromagnetic radiation that we must include in account.
 
Windows said:
It do when I made a 2 dimensional simulation.
Also the wall is radiating electromagnetic radiation that we must include in account.

Then you are proposing your own new theory. If you think you are able to do that, then you've ignored the PF Rules that you had agreed to. Please re-read it.

Zz.
 

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