Can Time Exist at Absolute Zero?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of time in relation to absolute zero, particularly whether time can exist at this temperature where atomic movement is theorized to cease. Participants explore the implications of energy and movement on the definition of time, as well as the limitations of scientific inquiry at absolute zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that time is defined by movement and questions the existence of time at absolute zero, proposing a hypothetical temperature below absolute zero where no energy or movement exists.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that time is defined by movement, stating that time is used to quantify motion rather than being defined by it.
  • A different participant points out that a system with negative absolute temperature is actually hotter than any system with positive temperature, requesting clarification on the initial claim about energy at extreme cold.
  • Another participant reiterates that absolute zero is defined as the temperature at which no movement exists relative to anything, emphasizing the implications for the concept of time.
  • One participant raises a concern about the applicability of the scientific method at absolute zero, suggesting that it may be pointless to question logic in such a scenario due to the uncertainty of information at that point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between time and movement, with no consensus reached on whether time can exist at absolute zero or the implications of extreme temperatures on scientific inquiry.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the definitions of time and energy, as well as the implications of negative temperatures, which remain unresolved.

Kry Havoc
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(i have next to no knowledge about physics so please don't beat me down my there are flaws in my theories)

as they say, time is defined by movement. you might say, "my eraser is perfectly still in my freezer (why you would put it there is beyond my comprehension)" be we are still moving on tectonic plates, when we are asleep blood circulates through our system and so on, but absolute zero (estimated at around -273.15C and further, and is not physically reachable) is when atoms are estimated to have the lowest amount of energy. I ask, (in theory) if it got so cold to a point where there was no more energy (i estimated at -546.3 C...double absolute zero) would it no longer exist, since time is defined by movement, and as it has no energy therefor movement?
 
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Kry Havoc said:
as they say, time is defined by movement.
Who says that? It's wrong.
 
Kry Havoc said:
(i have next to no knowledge about physics so please don't beat me down my there are flaws in my theories)

as they say, time is defined by movement. you might say, "my eraser is perfectly still in my freezer (why you would put it there is beyond my comprehension)" be we are still moving on tectonic plates, when we are asleep blood circulates through our system and so on, but absolute zero (estimated at around -273.15C and further, and is not physically reachable) is when atoms are estimated to have the lowest amount of energy. I ask, (in theory) if it got so cold to a point where there was no more energy (i estimated at -546.3 C...double absolute zero) would it no longer exist, since time is defined by movement, and as it has no energy therefor movement?

Time is used to quantify the motions of objects, it is not defined by the motion.

CS
 
"I ask, (in theory) if it got so cold to a point where there was no more energy (i estimated at -546.3 C...double absolute zero)"

A system with negative absolute temperature is actually hotter than any system with positive temperature. You're going to have to clarify what you mean here.
 
Kry Havoc said:
(i have next to no knowledge about physics so please don't beat me down my there are flaws in my theories)

as they say, time is defined by movement. you might say, "my eraser is perfectly still in my freezer (why you would put it there is beyond my comprehension)" be we are still moving on tectonic plates, when we are asleep blood circulates through our system and so on, but absolute zero (estimated at around -273.15C and further, and is not physically reachable) is when atoms are estimated to have the lowest amount of energy. I ask, (in theory) if it got so cold to a point where there was no more energy (i estimated at -546.3 C...double absolute zero) would it no longer exist, since time is defined by movement, and as it has no energy therefor movement?

Absolute zero, by definition is the "temperature" at which no movement exists relative to any thing.
 
Does'nt the scientific method break down at absolute zero, and therefor it being pointless to question the logic of a situation therein using said method?

You could say that "As we approach.." and "It appears.." but any information about that point can never be known with any certainty.
 
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