Can two metrics be superposed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the possibility of superposing two metrics in general relativity, specifically the Schwarzschild and de Sitter metrics. Participants explore the mathematical implications and physical relevance of such superposition, addressing the challenges involved in combining metrics in the context of Einstein's field equations (EFEs).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method for superposing the Schwarzschild and de Sitter metrics, suggesting a specific form for the combined metric.
  • Another participant questions the validity of adding metrics in this manner, noting that the solutions to the EFEs are not linear.
  • A different participant asserts that while metrics can be added as matrices, this does not yield a physically relevant solution to the EFEs.
  • It is mentioned that the interaction of gravitational fields in general relativity is complex, and that linear superposition is not applicable in general cases, unlike in electromagnetism.
  • One participant acknowledges their confusion regarding the superposition of metric spaces and expresses a desire for clarity on the topic.
  • Another participant notes that there is a linearized form of the EFEs where linear superposition can yield valid solutions, but this is limited to weak fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of superposing metrics. There is no consensus on whether the proposed method for superposition is valid or leads to meaningful results.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of linear superposition in the context of general relativity and the specific conditions under which it may be applicable.

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Hi. I can't find a source that shows how to superpose two metrics.

For example, superposing Schwarzschild metric

[itex]ds^2=\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)dt^2-\frac{dr^2}{1-\frac{2M}{r}}-r^2d\Omega^2[/itex]

with de Sitter metric

[itex]ds^2=\left(1-\frac{r^2}{\alpha^2}\right)dt^2-\frac{dr^2}{1-\frac{r^2}{\alpha^2}}-r^2d\Omega^2[/itex]​

yields de Sitter-Schwarzschild metric

[itex]ds^2=\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}-\frac{r^2}{\alpha^2}\right)dt^2-\frac{dr^2}{1-\frac{2M}{r}-\frac{r^2}{\alpha^2}}-r^2d\Omega^2[/itex]​

I've tried letting

[itex]g_{\mu\nu}=g_{\mu\nu}\left(Schwarzschild\right)+g_{\mu\nu}\left(de Sitter\right)-\eta_{\mu\nu}[/itex]​

which works for the time component of the metric but not the radial. Any ideas?
 
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Can you even add them like that? The solutions aren't linear.
 
WannabeNewton said:
Can you even add them like that? The solutions aren't linear.

I'm pretty sure you can - you're just adding matrices.
 
No what I mean is that linear superpositions of two metrics won't result in another solution to the EFEs so why do you want to add them like that.
 
WannabeNewton said:
No what I mean is that linear superpositions of two metrics won't result in another solution to the EFEs so why do you want to add them like that.

I didn't know that. I'm basically stuck as to how to superpose the two metric spaces. Maybe the answer is obvious and I'm being thick.
 
It isn't easy to properly superpose two metrics. Unlike electric fields under maxwell's equations, which linearly superpose, in GR two interacting gravitational fields present a much, much more complicated interaction (release of gravitational waves etc.) because the gravitational field is coupled to itself. You can simply add the two matrices, sure, but that won't give you anything physically relevant; combining two metrics is non - trivial. There is a linearized form of the EFEs under which linear superposition does result in another solution but the linearized EFEs are only valid for weak fields (like low amplitude gravitational waves in vacuum).
 
OK, thanks very much for that.
 

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