Can waste CO2 be used to turn generators?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of using waste CO2 from power plants to turn generators by increasing its pressure, exploring concepts related to energy efficiency and the application of Bernoulli's Principle. Participants examine the potential utility of this idea in the energy industry.

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  • One participant questions whether waste CO2 can be used to turn a generator by increasing its pressure with a funnel.
  • Another participant clarifies that a funnel increases velocity, not pressure, referencing Bernoulli's Principle.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of power plants and the extensive research already conducted to optimize energy use.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential inefficiency of attaching a turbine to exhaust systems, suggesting it may block exhaust and reduce overall efficiency.
  • One participant draws an analogy to turbocharged engines, noting that while they increase power, they also consume energy, emphasizing the principle that there is no free energy gain.
  • Participants discuss the historical context of energy recovery systems, such as Combined Heat and Power systems, and their practical applications.

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Participants express differing views on the practicality and efficiency of using waste CO2 for energy generation. While some agree on the theoretical application of Bernoulli's Principle, others raise concerns about the overall efficiency and feasibility of such systems. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the proposed method.

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Participants reference Bernoulli's Principle and its implications, but there are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the proposed use of waste CO2 and the efficiency of energy recovery methods. The discussion includes historical examples that may not directly apply to modern contexts.

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If waste CO2 is collected through a pipe from a power plant can it be used to turn a generator by increasing its pressure with a funnel?

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I have been wondering whether this is possible as I feel it could be very useful in the energy industry.
 

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That is not the way a funnel works. The velocity increases as the funnel gets narrower, not the pressure. It is explained by Bernoulli's Principle.

Power plants have already researched and exploited all imaginable ways to use regenerative energy or to make themselves more efficient. It would be worth many billions of dollars to get even a 1% increase in efficiency.
 
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anorlunda said:
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That is not the way a funnel works. The velocity increases as the funnel gets narrower, not the pressure. It is explained by Bernoulli's Principle.

Power plants have already researched and exploited all imaginable ways to use regenerative energy or to make themselves more efficient. It would be worth many billions of dollars to get even a 1% increase in efficiency.
So the increased velocity wouldn't be able to push the generator?
 
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rashad465 said:
So the increased velocity wouldn't be able to push the generator?
Did you read the link that @anorlunda provided? Does it discuss ways to passively increase the energy in the flow of a gas?
 
berkeman said:
Did you read the link that @anorlunda provided? Does it discuss ways to passively increase the energy in the flow of a gas?
The link did not work for me

Mod note: I have repaired the link.
 
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The link did not work for me
Hmm, agreed, it's not working for me either. Probably just a typo in the link.

When something like that happens, and @anorlunda gave you the keyword for the link, all you have to do is use those words in your own search at Wikipedia or via Google. Please read the Wikipedia page about the Bernoulli Principle, and let us know if that helps you to figure our the answers to your question. Thanks. :smile:

EDIT -- Oops, @rootone aced me out again. :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Hmm, agreed, it's not working for me either. Probably just a typo in the link.

When something like that happens, and @anorlunda gave you the keyword for the link, all you have to do is use those words in your own search at Wikipedia or via Google. Please read the Wikipedia page about the Bernoulli Principle, and let us know if that helps you to figure our the answers to your question. Thanks. :smile:

EDIT -- Oops, @rootone aced me out again. :smile:
I read the wikipedia page and I understand now that Bernoulli's principle would apply to this scenario. Thanks for your help
 
If you attach a turbine to the exhaust, it blocks the exhaust and makes the rest of the plant less efficient, so there is little or no net benefit.
 
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Rashad465.. If the pressure was greater on the right than on the left, which way would the gas flow in the pipe?
 
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rashad465 said:
I read the wikipedia page and I understand now that Bernoulli's principle would apply to this scenario. Thanks for your help
You're welcome. keep on asking questions and learning! That's how we all got started. :smile:
 
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rashad465 said:
If waste CO2 is collected through a pipe from a power plant can it be used to turn a generator by increasing its pressure with a funnel?

See diagram:View attachment 219226

I have been wondering whether this is possible as I feel it could be very useful in the energy industry.
Many motor car engines use a Turbo to force more air / fuel into the cylinders. This actually take energy from the engine despite the net gain in power because of the extra fuel burned.
There is no such thing as a free lunch - - - - ever. Having said that, there are good and bad ways of harvesting 'waste' energy and some of them give good value. Combined Heat and Power systems have been used for years. The Mother of a friend of mine was in a Council Flat in London (in the 1950's / 1960's) which was heated by the cooling water from Battersea Power Station. Then the Power Station was closed down (inefficient) and they had to use a different source of heating.
 

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