Can We Detect Signs of Life on Exoplanets Using Spectral Analysis?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for detecting signs of life on exoplanets through spectral analysis, exploring various methods such as identifying oxygen signatures, optical flashes, and astro-engineering structures like Dyson Spheres. Participants consider the effectiveness of these methods compared to traditional radio wave detection and the challenges involved in such detections.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how far away oxygen signatures indicative of photosynthesis can be detected, and whether optical flashes from spacecraft are more effective than radio wave detection.
  • Others suggest that the sensitivity of detection instruments plays a crucial role, with current technology being more adept at detecting faint radio signals than oxygen signatures or optical flashes.
  • One participant introduces the Kardashev scale, proposing that advanced civilizations may require vast energy resources, potentially leading to the construction of detectable structures like Dyson Spheres.
  • Another participant notes that the search for astro-engineering products is part of SETI, but emphasizes the current lack of success in detecting such signals, suggesting that temperature ranges for detection may need reevaluation.
  • Concerns are raised about the visibility of Earth and the Moon against the Sun when considering detection over light years, with discussions on the solid angle subtended by these bodies.
  • Some participants argue that Earth-like planets can be detected using the transit method, where light from a star passes through a planet's atmosphere, potentially revealing atmospheric composition through absorption lines, though high precision is required for successful spectral analysis.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether unique spectral signals for various atmospheric components have been detected in known exoplanets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and feasibility of different detection methods, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the current capabilities of technology in this area.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the sensitivity of detection instruments, unresolved challenges in spectral analysis, and the potential need for reevaluation of detection parameters for astro-engineering structures.

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How far away can the oxygen signature in our atmosphere be detected? Indicative of photosynthesis. How far away can optical flashes from spaceships/satellites in Moon orbit be detected? A sign of technological civilization from afar. Is this much more effective than radio wave detection?
 
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I suppose it would depend upon the sensitivity of the instruments used by that technological civilization. Right now, I would guess our technology is better suited to detecting faint radio signals rather than oxygen signatures or optical flashes (which is why we use radio).
 
One of the interesting ideas in ET life detection is based on the Kardashev scale - in that the more a species grows the deeper its energy requirements become. Until it is eventually hypothesized they would need the entire output of a star. The detection of a Dyson Sphere or other large body equivalent is, in my opinion, as good a method of detection as SETI.

Just my two cents worth
 
Cosmo Novice said:
The detection of a Dyson Sphere or other large body equivalent is, in my opinion, as good a method of detection as SETI.

The search for astro-engineering products like Dyson Spheres is actually part of SETI (e.g. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576598000150) but currently it is as unsuccessful as the search for “intelligent” radio signals. Maybe the search programs covered the wrong temperature range. I already found publications for temperature starting from 100 K (http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/698/2/2075/pdf/0004-637X_698_2_2075.pdf) but I would expect Dyson Spheres to be much colder because the degree of efficiency of the energy conversion increases with decreasing outer temperature. I already tried to perfom an own search but I wasn’t able to eliminate the Zodiacal light from the IRAS data (Does anybody know how to do that?).

I would also expect that Dyson Spheres could be detected not only by their thermal radiation but also by artificial emissions. If there are structures orbiting the sphere there would be focused transmissions for communication and power supply. If parts of these transmissions miss their target they could be detected from Earth (e.g. as optical flashes as mentioned by cph). But currently there seems to be no evidence for such signals (http://frank.harvard.edu/~howard/papers/sleague.pdf).
 
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cph said:
How far away can the oxygen signature in our atmosphere be detected? Indicative of photosynthesis. How far away can optical flashes from spaceships/satellites in Moon orbit be detected? A sign of technological civilization from afar. Is this much more effective than radio wave detection?
The Earth and moon would be lost in the sun. One has to think in terms of light years.

Consider the solid angle subtended by the earth, Jupiter and Saturn. Which has the most impact on the sun's light at 1+ ly?
 
Astronuc said:
The Earth and moon would be lost in the sun.

I'm not sure about that. Earthlike planets can be detected using the transit method. During the passage of the planet the light of its star is not only covered by the planet. A small fraction of the light will pass the planets atmosphere and might reach Earth. Then we will not only see a decrease of brightness but also additional absorption lines in the spectra of the star - carrying information about the composition of the atmosphere. Of course a successful spectral analysis will require a very high precision but this is a technical problem that might be solved in near future.
 
DrStupid said:
I'm not sure about that. Earthlike planets can be detected using the transit method. During the passage of the planet the light of its star is not only covered by the planet. A small fraction of the light will pass the planets atmosphere and might reach Earth. Then we will not only see a decrease of brightness but also additional absorption lines in the spectra of the star - carrying information about the composition of the atmosphere. Of course a successful spectral analysis will require a very high precision but this is a technical problem that might be solved in near future.

Something like that has been done already with at least one of the so-called "hot Jupiters" that have been detected. I'm not sure spectral signals unique to various atmospheric components have been detected, though.

http://www.space.com/3673-water-extrasolar-planet-atmosphere.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_209458_b
 

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