Can We Detect Moons Around Earth-Sized Exoplanets?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential for detecting moons around Earth-sized exoplanets, exploring the technological advancements required for such detection, the significance of moons for life, and the methods that could be employed to achieve this goal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how far technology must advance to detect a moon around an Earth-sized planet, considering factors like the planet's orbit and the star it orbits.
  • Another participant notes that current detection techniques, such as radial velocity and transit methods, are not effective for revealing moons and suggests that new technology will be necessary.
  • It is mentioned that the Earth's moon is unique in its mass and stable orbit, which may complicate the search for similar systems.
  • A participant proposes the use of interferometry to potentially "see" exoplanets by canceling out the light from their stars, although they acknowledge the challenges involved.
  • Another participant refers to ongoing projects that aim to use nulling interferometry to directly image planets and analyze their atmospheres for signs of life.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of detecting moons around Earth-sized exoplanets, with some suggesting that significant technological advancements are needed while others highlight ongoing projects that may address these challenges. No consensus is reached on the specific methods or likelihood of success.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainties regarding the effectiveness of current detection methods and the unique characteristics of Earth's moon, which may influence the search for similar exoplanetary systems.

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how far are we from detecting a moon around an Earth sized planet in another star system?

i read an article recently (http://www.newscientist.com/article...e-sun-and-moon-the-same-size-in-the-sky.html") about how the moon being so close to Earth wasn't, or doesn't appear to be, a very likely event. since there was a low probability of our planet having our moon it seems it was actually important for life to form here in the first place (tides, etc...).

it got me wondering how far technology has to develop in order to find a planet the same size of earth, in the same type of orbit, around an identical star to the sun, with a moon the same size of Earth's on the same type of orbit?

do we need to detect the moon? what comes first, detecting wavelengths of light reflected from the surface of the planet, or detecting a planets wobble due to its moon? if we could detect light from the planets surface would we be able to detect any plant life etc?

what about detecting oxygen in the atmosphere?

i can't think of anything more exciting than detecting these kind of things and am basically wondering how much we will find out, and the likelihood we will find strong evidence of extra terrestrial life, within my lifetime.
 
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The types of detection techniques we use today, radial velocity and transit, would not be very good at revealing moons. It will likely take a new technique using new technology.
 
888eddy said:
i read an article recently (http://www.newscientist.com/article...e-sun-and-moon-the-same-size-in-the-sky.html") about how the moon being so close to Earth wasn't, or doesn't appear to be, a very likely event. since there was a low probability of our planet having our moon it seems it was actually important for life to form here in the first place (tides, etc...).

it got me wondering how far technology has to develop in order to find a planet the same size of earth, in the same type of orbit, around an identical star to the sun, with a moon the same size of Earth's on the same type of orbit?

It's true that the Earth's satellite situation is quite unique. First, the mass of the moon is very comparable to that of the Earth, and it is in an extremely stable orbit as well. (Coincidentally it covers about the same angle in the sky as the sun, too!).

If you're going to cherry pick planets in order to find one with all the parameters you described, we would need to extend our search radius by orders of magnitude probably before we found one. This alone, let alone detection techniques, would be an extreme technological undertaking.
 
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would it be possible to use interferometry to 'see' an exoplanet?
i mean to cancel out the light of the sun i know it would be difficult especally in the visible but is it theoretically possible?
 
There are projects in development that will use nulling interferometry to cancel out a star's own light and hopefully be able to image planets directly. This would allow us to analyse the atmospheres of such planets for gasses that indicate signs of life.

See (for example):

http://www.darwin.rl.ac.uk/
 
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sweet i hope they can do it :)
and I'm glad it wasn't a silly idea!
 

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