Can Wireless Communication Be Achieved Without EMF?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the possibility of achieving wireless communication without electromagnetic fields (EMF), considering various theoretical alternatives and their feasibility. Participants examine different mediums for communication, including sound, light, and even neutrinos, while addressing potential limitations and challenges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether wireless communication can exist without EMF and suggest alternatives like sound and neutrino beams.
  • One participant proposes that sound could be used for digital communication, while another emphasizes that all communication is fundamentally analog at the physical level.
  • A neutrino beam is mentioned as a potential medium, though concerns are raised about its current limitations in data transmission capacity.
  • Participants discuss the use of visible light for communication, questioning its effectiveness against opaque materials.
  • Quantum tunneling is suggested as a theoretical means for digital communication, although its random nature raises concerns about reliability.
  • Historical methods of wireless signaling, such as semaphore and acoustic couplers, are referenced to illustrate past communication technologies.
  • Some participants humorously engage with the topic by referencing retro communication devices and their limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on the feasibility of different communication methods without EMF, with no consensus reached on a single viable alternative. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple competing ideas and uncertainties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of communication mediums and unresolved questions regarding the practicality of proposed methods, such as quantum tunneling and the effectiveness of light communication through opaque materials.

Theldiot
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Is there any theoretical room for wireless communication that does not require EMF and would be unhindered by RF blocking materials or Faraday cages?
 
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Hi. How about sound?
 
Hahaha That's embarrassing. I was wondering about digital communication, though.
 
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A neutrino beam could do the job. They aren't stopped by Faraday cages or RF blocking materials.
 
However, at this stage a neutrino beam can't transmit a significant amount of data. Is there anything that could?
 
Not that I'm aware of. But maybe others know. Good questions.
 
Theldiot said:
Hahaha That's embarrassing. I was wondering about digital communication, though.
Digital or analog has to do with your message encoding/decoding scheme, not the medium of transmission. You could certainly use acoustic waves digitally.
 
Theldiot said:
I was wondering about digital communication, though.
That's not a meaningful distinction - all communication is analog at the physical level.

For an example of sound used to carry digital data... Google for "acoustic coupler"... actually quite dangerous to use, as the buzzing sound of 110 bps traffic sounded enough like the distress cries of a wounded Diplodocus to attract the attention of any large carnivore in the area... I only narrowly escaped once when a raging T Rex tore my data shack apart in search of a meal.
 
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Nugatory said:
That's not a meaningful distinction - all communication is analog at the physical level.

For an example of sound used to carry digital data... Google for "acoustic coupler"

That's incredibly interesting. Do you know the sound level acoustic couplers would make when they were used for cordless phones?
 
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Is electromagnetic radiation in the visible frequency range, i.e. light, acceptable? Modulating light to carry a digital signal is well-established technology.
 
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jtbell said:
Is electromagnetic radiation in the visible frequency range, i.e. light, acceptable? Modulating light to carry a digital signal is well-established technology.

I see. But visible light communication, I assume, would be completely blocked by opaque matter. Correct?

Would it be theoretically possible for quantum tunnelling to enable digital communication? And could this be used over long distances?
 
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Theldiot said:
Would it be theoretically possible for quantum tunnelling to enable digital communication? And could this be used over long distances?

Quantum tunneling is a random event. There is no way to know precisely when it's going to happen, though you can assign some probability to it.
 
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Dale said:
Digital or analog has to do with your message encoding/decoding scheme, not the medium of transmission. You could certainly use acoustic waves digitally.
Ahh, what's old is new again:
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For those too young to remember, the thing on the left is called a "telephone" and the thing on the right is a "modem" - used for converting audio signals to data and back.
 
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That's no phone! How do you text?

There were various methods of wireless signalling that do this: semaphore, Aldis lamps, etc.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
semaphore, Aldis lamps, etc.
Native American smoke signals...
 

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