Can Work Occur Without Motion and What Defines Negative Potential Energy?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of work, motion, and potential energy within the context of physics. Participants explore whether work can occur without motion and the implications of negative potential energy, using examples such as an elevator being lifted by a force.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between work and motion, questioning if work can exist without net motion. They also explore the concept of negative potential energy and its arbitrary reference point. Some mention alternative forms of energy transfer, such as heat or electrical charge, as potential forms of work.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants express agreement with the initial assertions, while others raise thought-provoking questions about the nature of work and energy. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is productive in examining different perspectives.

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Participants reference specific examples and scenarios to illustrate their points, but the discussion remains open-ended regarding definitions and interpretations of work and energy. The original poster's examples serve as a basis for further exploration rather than definitive conclusions.

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Can work be done on a system if there is no motion?
I would say no, no motion = no energy...

Is it possible for a system to have negative potential energy?
I would say yes, since the choice of the zero of potential energy is arbitrary.

A 500-kg elevator is pulled upward with a constant force of 550N for a distance of 50 m. What is the work done by the 550N force?
From what I understand, we multiply 550N by 50 m, and get about 3.00x 104 J.

Thanks for your help!
 
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I think you are pretty much correct.
 
I would agree with you on all three. But the first question is thought provoking. I wonder if we can think of a case where there is work done, but no motion. Certainly that is true in cases where there is no *net* motion, like spinning a wheel with friction bearings. But no motion at all...hmmm.

Chemical energy conversion...is that considered work? I don't think so, but maybe someone else can think of a creative case.
 
Thank you!
 
future_vet said:
Can work be done on a system if there is no motion?
I would say no, no motion = no energy...

You can't do mechanical work without motion, but there are other ways to increase the energy of a system - for example adding heat energy, or storing electrical charge in a capacitor. "Increasing the energy" is the same as "doing work".

Is it possible for a system to have negative potential energy?
I would say yes, since the choice of the zero of potential energy is arbitrary.

A 500-kg elevator is pulled upward with a constant force of 550N for a distance of 50 m. What is the work done by the 550N force?
From what I understand, we multiply 550N by 50 m, and get about 3.00x 104 J.

Both correct.
 

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