Can you get pulled under a train?

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The discussion centers around the potential for a person standing near a train track to be pulled under a train due to the aerodynamic effects created by a passing train. Participants explore the forces involved, the conditions under which such an event might occur, and share personal experiences related to proximity to high-speed vehicles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the aerodynamic pull created by a train could be quantified as a force, questioning whether it is sufficient to pull a person under the train.
  • Others argue that a person standing nearby, if not caught off guard, is unlikely to be pulled under the train, citing personal experiences with high-speed trains and large vehicles.
  • A participant suggests that while a person might not be literally "pulled" under the train, they could be nudged off-balance by the bow shock created by the train's movement.
  • Some contributions mention the importance of defining parameters such as stance, traction, and mass to understand the likelihood of being pulled under the train.
  • There are references to personal experiences with the aerodynamic effects of large vehicles, including trucks and trains, indicating that while a pull may exist, it may not be strong enough to cause a person to fall under the train.
  • One participant humorously compares the likelihood of being pulled under a train to being affected by a "supernatural Hollywood force."
  • Another participant introduces the Bernoulli equation as a potential model for understanding the pressure dynamics involved in this scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the aerodynamic effects of a train are sufficient to pull a person under it. Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting that it is unlikely while others suggest it is a possibility under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations needed to quantify the forces involved, and there are references to the need for more precise definitions of terms and conditions to fully understand the scenario.

  • #31
.Scott said:
That last statement does not apply to US Navy carriers - since they can only be supplied this way on their starboard side.
But what if one of the carriers is running in reverse? Then two right sides are available.
 
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  • #32
jbriggs444 said:
But what if one of the carriers is running in reverse? Then two right sides are available.
Okay. We'll make you captain.
 
  • #33
jbriggs444 said:
But what if one of the carriers is running in reverse? Then two right sides are available.
Very difficult to reverse a straight line. The driver has to lean too far out of the bridge window to see behind him.
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Plus, the prop walk is brutal.
 
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  • #34
.Scott said:
Okay. We'll make you captain.
"Wrong Way Peach Fuzz" at your service.
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  • #35
DaveC426913 said:
The driver has to lean too far out of the bridge window to see behind him.
All the Captain can do is to try to keep a steady course; he can't see a thing from the bridge. It's up to the Pilot boat helm to chase the boarding ladder. I imagine they have radio communication so the captain can stop (or start) worrying after the event.

PS Is it possible that Naval craft use commercial pilots? I guess they have no option in non-naval ports (Left hand down a bit)
 
  • #36
sophiecentaur said:
PS Is it possible that Naval craft use commercial pilots? I guess they have no option in non-naval ports (Left hand down a bit)

Decades ago, I worked with a Navy veteran with experience in this area. He reported a story about a particular instance of using a Maritime pilot - and his mention suggested that this was typical.

Of course, the Navy would not always opt for the services of a local pilot. The approach to the beach at Playa Girón, Cuba comes to mind as an example.
 
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  • #37
dextercioby said:
Kurz gesagt: Ein praktisches Problem beim Aufenthalt in der Nähe von Bahngleisen. Kann/Sollte man das tun? Was wäre, wenn der Zug in Hanoi 100 km/h fahren würde?

Angenommen, ein 100 m langer (wahrscheinlich irrelevanter) Zug mit einer Geschwindigkeit von 30 m/s und einer Masse von 100.000 kg fährt an einer 100 kg schweren Person vorbei, die 1 m von den Gleisen entfernt steht. Da der Zug die Luft massiv verdrängt und so ein kleines Vakuum bzw. einen Unterdruckbereich erzeugt, übt er vermutlich eine Anziehungskraft auf alles aus, woran er vorbeifährt – in diesem Fall also auf eine Person. Meine Frage ist ganz einfach: Lässt sich diese Anziehungskraft durch eine Kraft quantifizieren? Reicht diese Kraft aus, um die Person unter den Zug zu ziehen? Was wäre, wenn der Abstand 50 cm betrüge?
First there is a pressure surge, then a weaker suction at the end. Only if you are standing very unsteadily could this cause you to fall over.
In Austria, a stroller once rolled under a train. The slight jolt was enough to set it rolling. Since then, there have been straps on the platform to secure strollers.
 

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