Can you have an antimatter black hole?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of antimatter black holes, exploring their existence, formation, and interaction with matter and dark matter. Participants examine theoretical implications, gravitational interactions, and the nature of black holes in the context of antimatter and dark matter.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether antimatter black holes could exist, suggesting they would need to originate from antimatter stars in antimatter galaxies to avoid annihilation with matter.
  • Others argue that an antimatter black hole would be indistinguishable from a matter black hole if they share the same mass, charge, and angular momentum.
  • There is uncertainty about whether matter and antimatter are gravitationally attracted to each other, with some citing the Pound-Rebka experiment as evidence for gravitational attraction.
  • Participants speculate on the effects of matter and antimatter interactions when falling into a black hole, particularly regarding energy conservation and photon emission during annihilation events.
  • Some contributions discuss the nature of dark matter and its potential interactions with black holes, with differing views on whether dark matter can be captured by black holes due to its collisionless nature.
  • There are claims regarding the existence of quantum black holes as potential constituents of dark matter, though this remains speculative.
  • The discussion touches on the implications of Hawking Radiation for the existence of tiny black holes, with differing opinions on their observability and existence over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the existence and nature of antimatter black holes, the gravitational interactions between matter and antimatter, and the role of dark matter in black hole formation. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of empirical evidence for the gravitational attraction between matter and antimatter, the speculative nature of dark matter interactions, and the unresolved status of tiny black holes in the context of Hawking Radiation.

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Sorry for a bit of a sci fi question but are anti matter black holes likely, presumably they would need to come from whole antimatter stars in antimatter galaxies? otherwise they would already have destroyed themselves?
 
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A black hole is a black hole is a black hole. An anti matter black hole would be no different than a black hole formed from stars, hydrogen clouds or abandoned ET spaceship engines. See here for discussion https://sciencequestionswithchris.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/how-can-you-tell-a-black-hole-made-out-of-antimatter-from-a-black-hole-made-out-of-matter/
 
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It has yet to be proven that matter and anti-matter are gravitational attracted to each other.
 
2milehi said:
It has yet to be proven that matter and anti-matter are gravitational attracted to each other.

If energy is conserved, Pound-Rebka proves that. Even if energy is not conserved, this would show up in Eotvos-type experiments. Furthermore, the same theory that gives you black holes predicts that matter and antimatter fall at the same rate.
 
This makes me wonder if the two types of matter have any effect on each other upon falling into a black hole. But a black hole will still pull in the things around it as it is a gravitational phenomenon.
 
ViperSRT3g said:
This makes me wonder if the two types of matter have any effect on each other upon falling into a black hole. But a black hole will still pull in the things around it as it is a gravitational phenomenon.
Seems to me that if a an electron and a positron annihilate outside the event horizon, a resulting photon might be pointed away from the black hole in which case the resulting addition to the mass of the black hole would be less by the mass equivalent of the energy of the escaping photon than if the two particles had just fallen in.
 
If Dark matter is truly collisionless, as is believed, it has no way to shed kinetic energy - meaning little, if any of it can be captured by black holes
 
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Andrekosmos said:
I forgot to mention these are just claims made by theorists, also quantum black holes could be the constitutes of dark matter and is being considered a candidate.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-substance-lurking-universes-mass-hiding.html
The problem w/ tiny black holes is that if Hawking Radiation does exist, then tiny black holes last for less time than my last slice of pizza and there would not be any around even if they HAD formed in the early universe.
 
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phinds said:
The problem w/ tiny black holes is that if Hawking Radiation does exist, then tiny black holes last for less time than my last slice of pizza and there would not be any around even if they HAD formed in the early universe.
That's not a problem with tiny black holes themselves, but a problem with their observation!
 
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Shyan said:
That's not a problem with tiny black holes themselves, but a problem with their observation!
I'm not following you. It seems to me the issue is whether they exist for any amount of time even if they come into existence. Hawking Radiation says no they don't. How do you observe something that doesn't exist? Yeah, I guess that would be a problem.
 
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phinds said:
I'm not following you. It seems to me the issue is whether they exist for any amount of time even if they come into existence. Hawking Radiation says no they don't. How do you observe something that doesn't exist? Yeah, I guess that would be a problem.
The point I'm trying to make, is that this argument is different from the argument against e.g. the existence of white holes corresponding to collapsing stars. Because of the latter, we don't search for white holes. But about the former, we should note that there are(theoretically) processes that result in the creation of microblackholes within our reach. We may actually be able to observe such black holes in LHC.
 
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OK, now I see what you are saying. This sort of sidetracked the discussion about whether or not quantum black holes could be all or part of dark matter. That is, your statement really had nothing to do with that topic, which is why it confused me.
 
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According to the website I added the link to on the bottom there is no difference:
"...there is no way to distinguish an antimatter black hole from a regular-matter black hole. In fact, there is no difference between an antimatter black hole and a regular-matter black hole if they have the same mass, charge, and angular-momentum.:
https://sciencequestionswithchris.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/how-can-you-tell-a-black-hole-made-out-of-antimatter-from-a-black-hole-made-out-of-matter/
 
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Chronos said:
If Dark matter is truly collisionless, as is believed, it has no way to shed kinetic energy - meaning little, if any of it can be captured by black holes
Since dark matter is gravitationally attractive wouldn't it feel the pull of a black hole? And if it crossed the event horizon wouldn't it be unable to escape and considered as captured?
 
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websterling said:
Since dark matter is gravitationally attractive wouldn't it feel the pull of a black hole? And if it crossed the event horizon wouldn't it be unable to escape and considered as captured?
Yes and yes, but the point being made is that dark matter is much less likely to be captured in an accretion disk because it doesn't bump into anything so if it is not captured by a black hole as it passes by, it's going to just keep on going, whereas normal matter would interact with any accretion disk and thus slow down and later be captured.
 
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