Can you make a more focused beam by using convex and concave lens?

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The discussion centers on the optical principles of using convex and concave lenses to manipulate light beams. It confirms that while a convex lens followed by a concave lens can narrow a light beam, this method only works effectively if the initial beam is collimated. The concept is compared to Archimedes' 'death ray', highlighting its theoretical limitations and violation of the second law of thermodynamics. Additionally, the optical system described resembles a telephoto lens configuration.

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When you put a convex and then concave lens in front of a light source, the light will be parallel but narrower than when it came in such as in a laser beam expander/compressor. Using a pen laser and a convex and concave lens, is it possible to focus the beam by putting a convex then a concave lens in front of it using this method? Taking this to the extreme, would it allow you to create a laser from a normal flashlight with enough lens?
 
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physics-james said:
When you put a convex and then concave lens in front of a light source, the light will be parallel but narrower than when it came in such as in a laser beam expander/compressor.

This is a common misconception. It's only true of the initial beam is collimated, which is a limiting case for a zero-size source. 'Beam concentrators', in the sense you are using, is conceptually identical to Archimedes' 'death ray' and both violate of the second law of thermodynamics.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/281847.pdf

The optical system you describe is the optical prescription for a telephoto lens
https://www.pencilofrays.com/lens-design-forms/#telephoto

Or, when reversed, a retrofocus (wide angle) lens:
https://www.pencilofrays.com/lens-design-forms/#retro
 
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