Can You Master Basic Index Notation in a Weekend?

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The discussion revolves around mastering basic index notation, particularly in the context of vector calculus. Participants explore whether it is feasible to learn this material in a weekend and share resources and experiences related to understanding index notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding index notation from a recent class and seeks advice on whether it can be learned quickly over a weekend.
  • Another participant requests a specific example that is confusing to the original poster.
  • Several participants reference the Levi-Civita symbol and its properties, indicating that they are working on related identities and expressing confusion over certain proofs.
  • A participant notes the common confusion between subscript and superscript notation, particularly in the context of the Levi-Civita symbol, and explains the Einstein notation convention.
  • Recommendations for resources include a suggestion to search for posts by a user known for their contributions on related topics and a specific textbook, "Vector Calculus" by P.C. Matthews, which is praised for its clarity and problem sets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of mastering index notation in a weekend, and there are varying opinions on the clarity of available resources and the challenges posed by the notation itself.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding specific proofs and identities related to the Levi-Civita symbol, indicating a need for clearer explanations or additional practice problems. There are also references to the lack of sufficient instructional materials in previous courses.

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A week or two ago we went through index notation in class, however I didn't understand it when the lecturer was going through it thus I need to go through it now. I have this weekend to go through it along with other material. Is it possible to go over basic index notation in this short period of time and if so what resources should I use as I have no direct textbook that my lecturers follow

please help, thanks.

edit: I'm talking about vector calculus index notation
 
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can you be more specific by showing an example that doesn't seem to make sense?
 
jedishrfu said:
can you be more specific by showing an example that doesn't seem to make sense?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi-Civita_symbol

if you scroll down to "properties" we're doing similar stuff like that, e.g. the identity when n = 3 with the 4 delta symbols, we were asked to prove that and I was baffed :s.

we also are doing some 2d vector index notation
 
synkk said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi-Civita_symbol

if you scroll down to "properties" we're doing similar stuff like that, e.g. the identity when n = 3 with the 4 delta symbols, we were asked to prove that and I was baffed :s.

we also are doing some 2d vector index notation

Are you asking for the proof of this identity?
 
Well some people get confused by the subscript vs superscript notation. In the case of the LeviCivita symbol (a psuedo-tensor) there is no distinction between sub and superscripts so you can use them as needed.

The Einstein notation convention is that when a subscript and a superscript index are the same letter then it is understood that you sum them to get the result:yj = Aijxi

y1 = A11 * x1 + A21 * x2 + A31 * x3

y2 = A12 * x1 + A22 * x2 + A32 * x3

y3 = A13 * x1 + A23 * x2 + A33 * x3

Check Google for more info on the Levi-Civita symbol...
 
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Just search for every post by WannabeNewton.
 
Jorriss said:
Just search for every post by WannabeNewton.

Haha, agree with this. He's posted a lot of interesting stuff in the Differential Geometry and SR/GR forums -- his profile is on my friend list if you can't find it.
 
Vector Calculus by P.C. Matthews has an awesome chapter on index notation. I struggled with the notation enormously when it was tangentially introduced during and E&M course because neither the teacher nor the textbook provided sufficient information (for me) or any basic practice problems. Matthews is thorough, concise and has a bunch of problems with solutions at the back. After 2 days playing with it I was able to prove most standard identities. Wish I had had it during that class …
 

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