Can You Pronounce 'Lebesgue' Correctly?

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The discussion centers around the pronunciation of the name "Lebesgue" and extends to other mathematical names such as "Stieltjes" and "Pontryagin." Participants share their perspectives on how these names should be pronounced, drawing from their linguistic backgrounds and experiences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "Lebesgue" should be pronounced as "le-BECK," while others argue for "Le beg," citing French pronunciation.
  • A participant mentions that the pronunciation of "Stieltjes" is "STEELT-yes," while another expresses concern about its pronunciation.
  • Discussion includes a humorous attempt to hijack the topic to discuss the pronunciation of "Noether," with participants noting its German roots.
  • One participant, a native French speaker, agrees with the pronunciation "Le beg" and elaborates on the nuances of the French pronunciation.
  • Another participant shares their experience with regional variations in pronunciation, particularly among French-Canadian communities in Maine.
  • There is mention of the name "Urysohn," with differing pronunciations noted between a Ukrainian speaker and others.
  • Participants reflect on the challenges of pronouncing names from different languages, sharing personal anecdotes related to their own names.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct pronunciation of "Lebesgue," with multiple competing views remaining. The discussion reflects a variety of opinions and experiences regarding the pronunciation of several mathematical names.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the influence of regional accents and linguistic backgrounds on pronunciation, indicating that variations may exist based on location and cultural context.

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How to pronounce "Lebesgue"?

Like the title says how do I pronounce Lebesgue?
 
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Unless the name has been anglicized, it should be pronounced le-BECK
 


I'm worried about "Stieltjes".
 


"STEELT-yes", as far as I know.
 


Any chance i can hijack and get a Noether? =]
 


For sure! :) It's German. The "th" is pronounced like a pure "t" but I think the "oe" is difficult to pronounce for English speakers. What comes closest could perhaps be the sound of the "o" in "word" or the "i" in "Sir" but that's still not completely what it sounds like.
 


m00npirate said:
Any chance i can hijack and get a Noether? =]

And please don't stress the rrrrr as many Amerrrricans tend to do :smile:
 


Lebesgue is a French name. According to wikipedia it is prononced [ləˈbɛg]. So it is not "le-BECK" as stated here, but rather "Le beg". Here the first "e" doesn't have a good equivalent in the English language while the second "e" is almost pronounced as when you read "beg".
For a French speaker, it is pronounced as if there were no "s".
 


I am a native french speaker and I agree with everything in fluidistic's post.

How about Pontryagin (also spelled Pontrjagin) huh?
 
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quasar987 said:
How about Pontryagin (also spelled Pontrjagin)?

Simply: Pontr you gin (with a bit of a rolling r if you can manage)
 
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I had never looked at it that way. I was stubornly trying Pon try agin, which in french sounds even worst than english.
 
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fluidistic said:
Lebesgue is a French name. According to wikipedia it is prononced [ləˈbɛg]. So it is not "le-BECK" as stated here, but rather "Le beg". Here the first "e" doesn't have a good equivalent in the English language while the second "e" is almost pronounced as when you read "beg".
For a French speaker, it is pronounced as if there were no "s".
Maybe in France, things are different. Here in Maine we have a huge population of French-Canadian transplants, and the "le" is not accented. Lebesque is pronounced le BECK and Levesque is pronounced le VECK. The "e" in "le" is very short and is practically rolled over.

You should hear what people do to my mother's maiden name (Dionne) and her uncle's family name (Paradis). It's painful.
 
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turbo-1, that's a 'g' in Lebesgue, not a 'q'!

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I've always wondered about the pronunciation of Urysohn. My Ukranian friend pronounces it "Uri-shown", whereas just about everyone else pronounces it "Uri-son". Any ruskis around to comment?
 
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dvs said:
turbo-1, that's a 'g' in Lebesgue, not a 'q'!

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I've always wondered about the pronunciation of Urysohn. My Ukranian friend pronounces it "Uri-shown", whereas just about everyone else pronounces it "Uri-son". Any ruskis around to comment?
Thanks, thought it was a typo in the OP. There are a LOT of French names here that end in "esque"
 
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turbo-1 said:
Maybe in France, things are different. Here in Maine we have a huge population of French-Canadian transplants, and the "le" is not accented. Lebesque is pronounced le BECK and Levesque is pronounced le VECK. The "e" in "le" is very short and is practically rolled over.

You should hear what people do to my mother's maiden name (Dionne) and her uncle's family name (Paradis). It's painful.

Hey turbo, basically I was saying that it is pronounced with a final "EG" and not "ECK". It seems you made a typo as dvs showed.
I'm from Québec (but lived also a big part of my life in France) so I can imagine the French influence in Maine. By the way I've an Irish name so you can imagine how French and Argentine people pronounce my name.
 
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ledamage said:
For sure! :) It's German. The "th" is pronounced like a pure "t" but I think the "oe" is difficult to pronounce for English speakers. What comes closest could perhaps be the sound of the "o" in "word" or the "i" in "Sir" but that's still not completely what it sounds like.

I will add the "oe" should pronounced as in Goering. It is pronounced just as "e" is pronounced in French, for example in "Le".
 
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fluidistic said:
Hey turbo, basically I was saying that it is pronounced with a final "EG" and not "ECK". It seems you made a typo as dvs showed.
I'm from Québec (but lived also a big part of my life in France) so I can imagine the French influence in Maine. By the way I've an Irish name so you can imagine how French and Argentine people pronounce my name.
I went to school with a girl whose last name was "Pelky". Her father couldn't speak or write English when he came to Maine, and the idiot who was setting up payroll, SS records, etc didn't bother to consult a French-speaking person to ask how to spell "Pelletier".
 
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Hmmm, I was listening to a math major talk about his experiences at uni last week and he mentioned Lebesgue integration. He pronounced it La beg, where beg sounds like bagel without the el. Excuse my poor and possibly ludicrous explanation.
 

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