Can you prove that ab/m is a common divisor of a and b?

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The discussion revolves around proving that \( \frac{ab}{m} \) is a common divisor of two positive integers \( a \) and \( b \), given that \( m \) is a common multiple of \( a \) and \( b \) and that \( m \) divides \( ab \).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants explore the definitions of common multiples and common divisors, questioning the validity of the steps leading to the conclusion that \( a \) and \( b \) are divisible by \( F \).
  • Some participants suggest alternative approaches, such as proving that \( ab \) divides \( ma \) and \( mb \), and discuss the implications of these statements.
  • There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between the divisibility of \( ab \) and the implications for \( a \) and \( b \).

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance and questioning assumptions. Some have suggested alternative proofs and explored the implications of the definitions involved. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, though no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the final proof.

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Participants are working under the constraints of proving a mathematical statement without assuming conclusions prematurely. The definitions of common multiples and divisors are central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Let a,b and m be positive integers. If m is a common multiple of a and b and m divides ab, then ab/m is a common divisor of a and b.


Homework Equations


Definition: A common multiple of a and b is any integer divisible by both a and b.
Definition: A common divisor of a and b is any integer that divides both a and b.

The Attempt at a Solution


1. Let a,b,m be positive integers. suppose m is a common multiple of a and b and m divides ab.
2. By definition m does not equal 0, a divides m and b divides m so a and b both do not equal 0.
3. There exist integers S,D such that m=aS and m=bD
4. From (1) m divides ab so there exists an integer F such that ab=Fm
5. ab=Fm=aSF and bDF
6. ab/m=aSF/aS and bDF/bD, both Give F
7. a and b are both divisible by F so ab/m is a common divisor of a and b.

I believe I have an error between 6 and 7 because it seems as though I am jumping to conclusions about both being divisible by F.
Thank you
 
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Step 7. Why are a and b divisible by F? From the previous step ab is divisible by F but, from this, you cannot say that a and b are also divisible by F.
 
Therein lies my question of what should I do to correct step 7? I am not sure what to do. It is necessary to show that F divides both a and b right?
 
But that is not possible in general. Try this instead: prove that ab divides ma and mb. What could you conclude from that?
 
This just tells me that b divides m and that a divides m which is what I already know. I think I am reading what you asked incorrectly.
 
If ab|ma, then ma = k(ab), which implies that a = k(ab/m) (why can we say that?); what does this mean? If you could prove the same thing about b, what can you conclude?
 
Oh, so this says that a is divisible by (ab/m) and for b we would have mb=d(ab) so b=d(ab/m) so b is divisible by (ab/m) too. therefore (ab/m) is a common divisor of a and b. But how do we know that ab|ma? where does that come from?
 
Look at your hypothesis: m is a common multiple of a and b; a trivially divides a. So what can you say about ma and ab?
 
since b|m then ab|ma and since a|m then ab|mb. This leads to a is divisible by (ab/m) because ma=k(ab) and so on. I believe I finally got it?
 
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Yes. Don't forget to add that ab is divisible by m by hypothesis.
 
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Great. Thanks for all your time and patience! I really appreciate the help.
 

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