Can you recommend a modern book on the calculus of variations?

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The discussion revolves around the definitions of weak and strong extrema in the calculus of variations, as presented in Gelfand and Fomin's book and a related Wikipedia article. Participants express confusion regarding the definitions and seek clarification, while also requesting recommendations for modern literature on the topic.

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  • One participant questions the definitions of weak and strong extrema, suggesting they may be inverted based on their understanding of norms.
  • Another participant asserts that the definitions are not reversed, explaining that strong extrema allow for a wider class of variations.
  • A different viewpoint states that strong implies weak, indicating that stronger norms restrict the class of variations, leading to a weaker form of extremum.
  • One participant argues that extrema in "0-norm" are stronger, providing a reasoning based on the relationship between continuous functions and smooth functions.
  • Another participant clarifies that the set of smooth functions is a subset of continuous functions, reinforcing their earlier point about extrema.

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Participants express differing opinions on the definitions of weak and strong extrema, with no consensus reached on whether the definitions are correct or inverted.

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Participants reference specific norms and function spaces, indicating that their arguments depend on the definitions and properties of these mathematical concepts, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hello guys,

Recently I came across a definition to which I'd never given much thought. I was reading through Gelfand and Fomin's "Calculus of variations" and I read the part about weak and strong extrema, and I really can't manage to wrap my head around these definitions. They can be found in the wiki article (basically a copy-paste of the book):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_of_variations#Extrema

My immediate thought is that these definitions must be inverted. I mean, if you have:

\| f-f_0 \|_1 < \delta

For certain f's, then, a fortiori you have:

\| f-f_0\|_0 < \delta

For all these f's. So this means that the extremum defined with the 1st order norm should be stronger!

At some point I found a definition that was the exact opposite of the one given in wiki (in some google book), but I can't find it anymore. Maybe I should just sleep on it, but I'd still like your input. While we're at it, can you recommend a good, modern book on the calculus of variations? I find that most books on the subject used as references are pretty dated and often not very clear.
 
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The Wiki article looks wrong. As you noted, it seems to have weak and strong reversed.
 
They aren't reversed. Strong is called strong because it allows a wider class of variations. To be a weak extremum you only have to check differentiable variations.

It would be nice to hear some book recommendations. I love Gelfand Fomin, but a more advanced presentation that assumes more background analysis would be great.
 
I reread the definition again just to clarify to myself whether strong implies weak. And it does. The norms are only used to restrict the class of variations. So the "stronger norm" is more restrictive on the allowed variations. Thus it produces a weaker form of extremum.
 
well it is kind of late but yet..

I would say that extrema in "0-norm" are stronger.

Consider a functional ##J## defined in ##\mathcal{C}[a,b]## (that is the space of all continuous functions from ##[a,b]## to ##\mathcal{R}##) then if ##J## has an extremum at ##y_0 \in \mathcal{C}## certanly it also has an extremum at ##y_0 \in \mathcal{D}_1## if it is defined on ##\mathcal{D}_1##.
I don't know if i was clear enough. I hope so..
 
i forgot to say that ##\mathcal{D}_1## is the set of all smooth functions ##y:[a,b] \rightarrow \mathcal{R}##.
Then obviously ##\mathcal{D}_1 \subset \mathcal{C}##. Let ##y_0 \in \mathcal{D}_1## (##\Rightarrow y_0 \in \mathcal{C}##). Then if ##J## has an extremum at ##y_0## in ##\mathcal{C}##, then it also has an extremum at ##y_0## in ##\mathcal{D}_1## (since ##\mathcal{D}_1## is a subset of ##\mathcal{C}##).
 

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