Can You Solve These Complex Math Problems?

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The discussion revolves around solving two complex math problems involving equations and inequalities. Participants are seeking assistance with their approaches and reasoning related to these problems.

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  • One participant presents two problems: an equation involving an absolute value and an inequality involving a square root.
  • Another participant requests to see the original work done by the first participant, emphasizing the forum's practice of guiding rather than providing direct answers.
  • A participant suggests breaking the absolute value in the first equation into two cases and multiplying both sides by a term to simplify the equation.
  • For the second problem, a participant notes the requirement for the square root to be defined and discusses conditions under which the inequality can be squared.
  • There is a discussion about isolating variables and determining conditions for solutions in both problems, with one participant questioning the existence of real solutions based on their findings.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the solutions to the problems. There are multiple interpretations and approaches discussed, and uncertainty remains regarding the existence of solutions for the second problem.

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Participants express uncertainty about their methods and the implications of their findings, particularly regarding the conditions under which the inequalities hold and the validity of squaring both sides of the inequality.

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hey guys, tried these problem for awhile and can't get them. Hope i can get some help :) it would be greately aprieciated!

the first question:
Find all u satisfying the equation
u+2=|7u+2|/4+u

And the second question is:
Find all t satisfying the inequality
(2t+6)^1/2 >(or equal to) |t+1| -1

I tried them both and didnt get that far and my answers seem way off, so help would be awsome. Thanks !
 
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Please show us what you have done so far (it is standard practice on these forums not to answer homework questions, but merely to point out where people have gone wrong in the work they have done so far).
 
math_student03 said:
... the first question:
Find all u satisfying the equation
u+2=|7u+2|/4+u

[tex]u + 2 = \frac{|7u + 2|}{u + 4}[/tex], you mean this, right? Or, do you mean:
[tex]u + 2 = \frac{|7u + 2|}{u} + 4[/tex]?

Ok, assume your problem is the first one. So multiply both sides by: (u + 4) to obtain:

[tex](u + 2) (u + 4) = |7u + 2|[/tex]

Now, you can try to break the absolute value, i.e divide it into 2 cases 7u + 2 < 0, and 7u + 2 >= 0.

Can you take it from here? :)

And the second question is:
Find all t satisfying the inequality
(2t+6)^1/2 >(or equal to) |t+1| -1

I tried them both and didnt get that far and my answers seem way off, so help would be awsome. Thanks !

[tex]\sqrt{2t + 6} \geq |t + 1| - 1[/tex]

For the Square Root function to be defined, we must have 2t + 6 >= 0 ~~> t >= -3, right?

Notice that, if we have:
[tex]\sqrt{A} \geq B[/tex]
Since [tex]\sqrt{A}[/tex] is always non-negative. So if B is non-negative, then the inequality will always hold, right?

If B > 0, then you can square both sides, like this: A >= B2 and solve the inequality.

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Notice that in the second problem, you should divide it into 2 cases B > 0, and B <= 0. Since if B <= 0, you are not allow to square both sides, the inequality won't hold.

You have:
[tex]\sqrt{2} > -3[/tex], but when squaring both sides, we'll get: 2 > (-3)2 = 9, which is, of course, not true.

Ok, can you go from here? :)
 
hey thanks for the help, so for the first one after its broken into 2 parts
7u+2<0 and 7u+2>=0 we would just isolate for u and get 2 solutions?

u<7/2 and u>=7/2 ?

and for the second one, since B<=0 won't hold and 2 isn't greater then 9 is there no real solutions?
 
any1 got anything else that can assist me here, I am struggling.
 

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