Can You Solve These Root-Based Simultaneous Equations Without Guessing?

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The discussion revolves around solving a pair of simultaneous equations involving square roots, specifically focusing on the equations \(\sqrt{x}+y=7\) and \(\sqrt{y}+x=11\). Participants explore various methods to find solutions without resorting to guessing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that guessing the solutions (9 and 4) is straightforward but seeks a more elegant method that avoids guessing.
  • Another participant proposes substituting values from one equation into the other, leading to a fourth-degree polynomial, and mentions the use of the cubic root formula for finding roots.
  • A different approach is suggested by letting \(a=\sqrt{x}\) and \(b=\sqrt{y}\), although this method has not been tested yet.
  • One participant references the rational root theorem as a means to identify rational solutions to the polynomial derived from the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for solving the equations. Multiple approaches are discussed, and no definitive solution is established.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the methods proposed, such as the effectiveness of substitution and the applicability of the rational root theorem, which remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in solving simultaneous equations, particularly those involving square roots, may find the exploration of different methods and approaches beneficial.

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Given the simultaneous equations for real numbers x and y:

[itex]\sqrt{x}+y=7[/itex]

and

[itex]\sqrt{y}+x=11[/itex]

Find the solution. Guessing it is easy (the answers are 9 and 4) and the brute force way to do it is when you square and make subsitutions, ultimately leading to an equation of the fourth power in one variable.

Is there a more elegant but formal way, that doesn't require me to guess the answer?
 
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You can do it by substituting in each equation then solving for x or y. You still have to guess 9, but it gives you the other roots too.

[tex]x=(7-y)^2[/tex]
[tex]y=(11-x)^2[/tex]
After substitution I got:
[tex]x^4-44x^3+712x^2-5017x+12996=0[/tex]
Factorizing out x=9
[tex](x-9)(x^3-35x^2+397x-1444)=0[/tex]
Then you can use the cubic root formula:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function#General_formula_of_roots
But instead I used:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=root+of+x^4-44x^3+712x^2-5017x+12996
 
Maybe letting $a=\sqrt{x}$ and $b=\sqrt{y}$? I haven't tried it yet, but it might work.
 
There's the rational root theorem that'll give you all rational solutions to a polynomial.
 

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