An odd integer series formula?

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The discussion revolves around a proposed formula related to the difference between the squares of successive integers and the sums of their roots. Participants explore the implications of this relationship, particularly in generating sequences of odd integers through various mathematical manipulations and iterations.

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  • One participant presents a formula that connects the difference of squares of integers to the sums of their roots, suggesting it produces a sequence of odd integers.
  • Another participant questions the significance of the findings, noting that increasing both x and y by 1 results in a predictable increase in the sum, leading to odd integers.
  • A participant points out that the difference between successive results can be expressed as a sequence of odd integers, derived from the formula involving y and x.
  • Another contribution discusses the difference of squares and provides a substitution to relate it to the proposed equations.
  • One participant mentions that the variations presented are akin to examining the differences of a quadratic function and suggests a connection to cubic functions when n is involved.
  • A later reply acknowledges the contributions and expresses appreciation for the insights gained from the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the proposed relationships and their implications. Some participants find the exploration interesting, while others question its novelty and relevance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of the findings.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the importance or uniqueness of the proposed relationships, and there are varying interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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A few months ago I posted a simple equation that shows an interesting nexus between the difference between the squares of successive integers and the sums of their roots, viz:

Where y = x+1 then (x + y) = (y2 - x2)

Recently I expanded this relationship as follows:

Where n is any integer and y = (x + n), then n(x+y) = (y2 - x2)

Starting with x = 1 and y = 2 and increasing the x and y values by 1 at each iteration, this seems to produce an odd integers sequence as follows:

(1 + 2) = 3 = (4 - 1)
(2 + 3) = 5 = (9 - 4)
(3 + 4) = 7 = (16 - 9)
(4 + 5) = 9 = (25 - 16)
(5 + 6) = 11 = (36 - 25)...

Using the y = (x + n) form with the x value at 1 and increasing y by (x + n) gives a similar result:

1(1 + 2) = 3 = (4 - 1)
2(1 + 3) = 8 = (9 - 1)
3(1 + 4) = 15 = (16 - 1)
4(1 + 5) = 24 = (25 - 1)
5(1 + 6) = 35 = (36 -14)...

The difference between the successive results values being a sequence of odd integers.

Using the y = (x + n) form with the x value at 2 gives a similar result:

1(2 + 3) = 5 = (9 - 4)
2(2 + 4) = 12 = (16 - 4)
3(2 + 5) = 21 = (25 - 4)
4(2 + 6) = 32 = (36 - 4)
5(2 + 7) = 45 = (49 - 4)...

The difference between the successive results values again being a sequence of odd integers.

Not being very sophisticated mathematically I looked through Wikipedia’s integer series page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer_sequence) and found nothing like this series. Fibonacci numbers seem similar. I am curious to learn if this relationship is already known and whether it has any relationship to other known mathematical relationships.
 
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To be frank here, I'm not quite sure what the interesting thing about the relationships that you found is - so if I missed it, please do point it out.

Dennis Plews said:
Starting with x = 1 and y = 2 and increasing the x and y values by 1 at each iteration, this seems to produce an odd integers sequence as follows:

(1 + 2) = 3 = (4 - 1)
(2 + 3) = 5 = (9 - 4)
(3 + 4) = 7 = (16 - 9)
(4 + 5) = 9 = (25 - 16)
(5 + 6) = 11 = (36 - 25)...
Well, if you increased x and y by 1 each, the sum (x+y) increases by 2 for each step, so if u started with an odd value, you will naturally generate a sequence of odd integers.

Dennis Plews said:
The difference between the successive results values being a sequence of odd integers.
Well the difference between successive steps is
##[(y+1)^2 - x^2] - [y^2 - x^2] = 2y + 1##
which naturally forms a sequence of successive odd integers since you're increasing ##y## by 1 each step.
 
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Difference of squares: ##y^2-x^2=(y+x)(y-x)##. Substitute ##y=x+n## to get ##y^2-x^2=(y+x)n##.
 
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Dennis Plews said:
A few months ago I posted a simple equation that shows an interesting nexus between the difference between the squares of successive integers and the sums of their roots, viz:

Where y = x+1 then (x + y) = (y2 - x2)

Recently I expanded this relationship as follows:

Where n is any integer and y = (x + n), then n(x+y) = (y2 - x2)
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Yes, a little over nine months ago you started such a thread.

In that thread you discussed the equation x + y = y2 - x2 .

I assume you intend the 2 to be used as an exponent here also.

The equation ##\ y = x+n \ ## is equivalent to the equation ##\ y - x=n \ ##.

Multiplying that ##\ y+x\ ## gives ##\ (y - x)(y+x) =n(y+x) \ ##.

This equation has a set of solutions in addition to those for the initial equation. These are the solutions to ##\ y=x\ ##.

Of course, ##\ (y - x)(y+x) =n(y+x) \ ## is the same as ##\ y^2 - x^2 =n(y+x) \ ##.
 
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Let f(x) = x2 .

What you have is variations on f(x+1) - f(x), for integer values of x.

For the case with n, it's essentially a similar difference with a cubic function.
 
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