Can You Solve These Unique Algebraic Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of algebraic equations involving two variables, x and y. Participants explore various methods for finding solutions, including algebraic manipulation and numerical approximation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that clever guessing might be the quickest method to find solutions, while also noting that solving one equation for a variable and substituting it into the other may not yield straightforward results.
  • Another participant claims that (3, 3) is the only solution to the system.
  • A different participant proposes an alternative solution near (13.1370, 20.8216), indicating that there may be multiple solutions.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in the final steps of their solution attempt, presenting a series of logarithmic equations and seeking assistance.
  • Several participants challenge the validity of the logarithmic manipulations presented, pointing out incorrect applications of logarithmic properties and asserting that the initial steps are flawed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the number of solutions or the validity of the proposed methods. Multiple competing views exist regarding the correct approach to solving the equations, and disagreements about the correctness of specific steps are evident.

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Participants highlight limitations in the mathematical steps, particularly concerning the properties of logarithms and the assumptions made during manipulation. There are unresolved issues related to the validity of the proposed solutions and the methods used to derive them.

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Hi everybody,
Please I want to Solve the system:

3x-2y=19
y3-2x=19

x,y real number!

Thank you !
 
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I think clever guessing (and showing that there are not other solutions) is the quickest method. You can solve one of those equations for a single variable and put this into the other equation, but I don't think you cannot simply find solutions like that.
 
It looks like 3,3 is the only solution.
 
There is another solution near y=20.8216, x=13.1370.
 
Please I want the steps to find it, because I'm stumbled in the last steps as follow:
x*Ln(3)-y*Ln(2)=Ln(19)
3*Ln(y)-x*Ln(2)=Ln(19)

x*Ln(3)-y*Ln(2) - 3*Ln(y)-x*Ln(2) = 0
x*Ln(3)+x*Ln(2) = y*Ln(2)+3*Ln(y) {each one equals Ln(19)}
x*Ln(3)+x*Ln(2) = y*Ln(2)+3*Ln(y) = Ln(19)
x*Ln(6) = y*Ln(2)+3*Ln(y) = Ln(19)

x = ln(19)/ln(6)
...

Here I'm stumbled.

Thank you for your response.
 
There is no useful way to simplify ln(19)/ln(6). It is just some number - and it is wrong.

The first step does not work. ln(a-b) is not the same as ln(a) - ln(b).
The third step looks wrong, too (where you say "{each one equals Ln(19)}").
 
naoufelabs said:
3x-2y=19
y3-2x=19
x,y real number!
The first equation below is wrong, so everything below it is also invalid.

You apparently took the natural log of both sides, like so:
ln(3x - 2y) = ln(19)

Then you "distributed" the ln operation like this:
ln(3x) - ln(2y) = ln(19)
This is the step that is incorrect. There is no property of logs in which ln(A + B) = ln(A) + ln(B).

naoufelabs said:
Please I want the steps to find it, because I'm stumbled in the last steps as follow:
x*Ln(3)-y*Ln(2)=Ln(19)
3*Ln(y)-x*Ln(2)=Ln(19)

x*Ln(3)-y*Ln(2) - 3*Ln(y)-x*Ln(2) = 0
x*Ln(3)+x*Ln(2) = y*Ln(2)+3*Ln(y) {each one equals Ln(19)}
x*Ln(3)+x*Ln(2) = y*Ln(2)+3*Ln(y) = Ln(19)
x*Ln(6) = y*Ln(2)+3*Ln(y) = Ln(19)

x = ln(19)/ln(6)
...

Here I'm stumbled.

Thank you for your response.
 
Thank you all.
 

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