Can Zero Wavefunction Be the Only Solution in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the wavefunction of a particle in a box with boundary conditions that require the wavefunction to be zero at specific points. The participants explore the implications of the solutions derived from the equation and the physical interpretations of these solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the characteristic polynomial and question the accuracy of the original poster's setup. There are attempts to clarify the nature of the differential equation and its implications for the wavefunction. Some participants suggest that the only solution being zero may not be acceptable in a quantum mechanical context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the mathematical formulation. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the nature of the solutions and their physical interpretations, particularly concerning the zero wavefunction and its implications in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original equation may contain a typo and question whether the zero wavefunction is a valid solution within the framework of quantum mechanics. The distinction between first and second order differential equations is also highlighted as a point of confusion.

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Homework Statement



Solving the following differential equation with the given boundary conditions:

[tex]\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) = 2mE\psi (x), \ \ \ \ \ \forall \ \hbar^2,\ m,\ E > 0[/tex]

[tex]\psi(a) = \psi(-a) = 0[/tex]

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[tex]\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) = 2mE\psi (x)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) = \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi (x)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) - \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi (x) = 0[/tex]

Let

[tex]\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2} = \rho[/tex]

Then

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) - \rho \psi (x) = 0[/tex]

The characteristic polynomial for this ODE shall be

[tex]r^2 - \rho = 0[/tex]

[tex]r^2 = \rho ,\ r_1 = -\sqrt{\rho},\ r_2 = \sqrt{\rho}[/tex]

Therefore

[tex]\psi (x) = c_1e^{r_1 x} + c_2e^{r_2 x}[/tex]

[tex]\psi (x) = c_1^{-\sqrt{\rho} x} + c_2e^{\sqrt{\rho} x}[/tex]

By using the given conditions the only possible solution I can get is

[tex]c_1 = c_2 = 0,\ \psi (x) = 0[/tex]

As I get to something like

[tex]e^{4 \sqrt{\rho} a} = 1[/tex]

And since

[tex]\rho,\ a > 0[/tex]

So

[tex]\psi(x) = 0[/tex]

seems to be the only solution.

Is this it?
 
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The characteristic equation isn't r^2-rho*r=0. It's r^2-rho=0. Where did the second r come from?
 
I think that the characteristic polynomial will be
[tex]r^2 - \rho = 0[/tex]
rather than
[tex]r^2 - \rho r = 0[/tex]
which kinda makes some difference.
 
Dick said:
The characteristic equation isn't r^2-rho*r=0. It's r^2-rho=0. Where did the second r come from?

Yeah I kinda saw that too, I've already corrected it and did all the work again and I still got nowhere.
 
Je m'appelle said:
Yeah I kinda saw that too, I've already corrected it and did all the work again and I still got nowhere.

Yes, I think you are correct that the only solution is psi(x)=0. That looks like Schroedinger's equation with a minus sign missing. If there were an extra minus then you would get sin and cos type solutions and wouldn't be having these problems. Is it a typo?
 
The equation posted in the op is not a first order homogeneous ODE as claimed in the title.
 
Dick said:
Yes, I think you are correct that the only solution is psi(x)=0. That looks like Schroedinger's equation with a minus sign missing. If there were an extra minus then you would get sin and cos type solutions and wouldn't be having these problems. Is it a typo?

The differential equation and boundary conditions are typed here exactly as in my assignment, I couldn't tell if there is a 'typo', but if there is it isn't mine. But is [tex]\psi (x) = 0[/tex] acceptable as a solution in terms of a quantum mechanical interpretation for a single particle in a box of length '2a'?

Dickfore said:
The equation posted in the op is not a first order homogeneous ODE as claimed in the title.

Hah, you're right it's a second order, my bad, is there any way to correct that?
 
How I would look at it. By the physical meaning of the terms as I understand your constant rho is by nature positive. Often it is preferred to keep this evident by defining your parameter as rho2. If it is wanted to indicate a negative coefficient define a constant as -rho2.

If instead your rho were negative, the maths of your equation would be formally almost identical to that for simple harmonic motion. (Only x instead of t, psi instead of x. Meaning changed, maths identical. The usual 1-D QM particle-in-box equation is like that too.) We know pretty well how that behaves.

If instead your rho is positive, the equation is that of bacterial growth. Which is usually given as a 1st order eq. but your 2nd order equation will be true of it too. And we know how that behaves too. Exponential growth. And in exponential growth the population is never zero at any time unless it is zero at all times. Or think of a repulsive force that increases proportionately to the distance to a particle.

So the conclusions mentioned are not so puzzling.
 
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Or, if you look at it as the Schrödinger equation with a minus sign missing, you could also interpret it as the Schrödinger equation for a particle with negative energy E. This would mean that the particle is in a bound state everywhere. Then imposing that the wave function be zero at two different points, means that it must be zero everywhere.

In answer to your question: in QM wavefunction zero is not allowed. Mathematically, there is nothing wrong with the constantly zero function being a solution to the differential equation, but the function does not contain any physical content (e.g. you cannot use it to calculate sensible expectation values) and basically describes the "no particle at all" situation
 

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