Canonical ensemble <(Delta E)^3> expression

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the canonical ensemble expression for the variance of energy, specifically the expression for <(Delta E)^3>. The participants confirm that the grand-canonical partition function, represented as $$Z(\beta,\alpha,V)=V \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \exp(-\beta p^2/(2m)+\alpha)$$, is applicable for ideal gases. The evaluation of the average energy and its variance is achieved through the relations ##U=\langle E \rangle=-\partial_{\beta} Z/Z## and ##\langle \Delta E^2 \rangle=\partial_{\beta}^2 Z/Z- \langle E \rangle^2##. The discussion highlights the importance of using explicit example systems to derive expressions in statistical mechanics.

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Homework Statement
Given: <(Delta E)^2> = k_B T^2 C_V

Show: <(Delta E)^3> = k_B^2 [T^4 (d C_V / d T)_V + 2 T^3 C_V]
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stat mech, thermo
I try involving differentiating ^2 but I get an expression of different proportionality.
 
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I guess, that's for an ideal gas? If so then just get the grand-canonical partition function
$$Z(\beta,\alpha,V)=V \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \exp(-\beta p^2/(2m)+\alpha)$$
and evaluate ##U=\langle E \rangle=-\partial_{\beta} Z/Z##, ##\langle \Delta E^2 \rangle=\partial_{\beta}^2 Z/Z- \langle E \rangle^2##,...
 
vanhees71 said:
I guess, that's for an ideal gas? If so then just get the grand-canonical partition function
$$Z(\beta,\alpha,V)=V \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \exp(-\beta p^2/(2m)+\alpha)$$
and evaluate ##U=\langle E \rangle=-\partial_{\beta} Z/Z##, ##\langle \Delta E^2 \rangle=\partial_{\beta}^2 Z/Z- \langle E \rangle^2##,...
For any canonical ensemble.
Ah, yours would be an approach. I never thought of using an explicit example system to find that resulting expression.
 

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