Canonical Ensemble: Partition Function & Free Energy

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The discussion centers around the partition function in the canonical ensemble, its relationship to Helmholtz free energy, and the implications of indistinguishable particles in statistical mechanics. Participants explore the conditions under which specific forms of the partition function are valid, particularly in relation to ideal gases and the treatment of particle indistinguishability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the partition function is given by Z=\sum_{\{states j\}}e^{-\beta E_j}=e^{-\beta F}, where F is the Helmholtz free energy.
  • Others argue that the correct form is Z=\sum_{\{states j\}}e^{-\beta E_j}=e^{-\beta U}, where U is the internal energy, particularly emphasizing that this applies only to ideal gases.
  • There is a discussion about the use of Z={(\sum_{\{states of all particle\}}e^{-\beta E})}^N and its validity, with some asserting it is only applicable for classical ideal gases due to the absence of interactions.
  • One participant raises a question about the kinetic energy expressed as T=\sum_{ij} A_{ij}p_i p_j and its implications for the ideal gas equation.
  • Several participants mention the necessity of dividing by N! to account for indistinguishable particles, with one explaining its role in resolving Gibbs' paradox.
  • Another participant notes that dividing by N! is an approximate correction that becomes exact in the limit of a dilute gas.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the counting of configurations when particles occupy the same state, suggesting that the classical partition function may overcount these configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct form of the partition function and the implications of indistinguishability. Some assert that the partition function relates to internal energy, while others maintain it relates to free energy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the application of the partition function to ideal gases and the implications of indistinguishable particles, particularly in relation to Gibbs' paradox. There is also mention of the need for careful consideration of configurations when calculating the partition function.

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Is it true that partition function for canonical ensemble is

[tex]Z=\sum_{\{states j\}}e^{-\beta E_j}=e^{-\beta F}[/tex]

where [tex]F[/tex] is Helmholtz free energy?
 
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And in which case is

[tex]Z={(\sum_{\{states of all particle\}}e^{-\beta E})}^N=[\frac{1}{h^3}\int d^3r\int d^3pe^{-\frac{\beta p^2}{2m}]^N[/tex]

Because then it is easy to calculate[tex]\int d^3r=V[/tex]

and [tex]\int d^3pe^{-\frac{\beta p^2}{2m}[/tex]

is product of three Poisson integral. But when I can use this. Only for classical ideal gas?

Can I say in every case that [tex]Z={(\sum_{\{states of all particle\}}e^{-\beta E})}^N=[\frac{1}{h^3}\int d^3r\int d^3pe^{-\beta E}]^N[/tex]
 
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No it's not true, the true form as I think is

[tex] Z=\sum_{\{states j\}}e^{-\beta E_j}=e^{-\beta U}[/tex]

where U is the internal energy of the system.

For your second question, yes it's only for the ideal gas, because you have only energies P^2/2m, there are no other contributions like repulsion or collisions, the facts which are considered in Van der Waals equation of state. Your second question involves the microcanonical ensemble as I recall, not the canonical one, because there is not energy exchange for the system.

For your last question, no you can't, because you have to take into consideration that the particles are indistinguishable, and so this lowers the number of configurations possible, and gives a rise to Gibbs paradox.
The correct answer for your last question is to divide by N!. (N factorial) as well.

I hope I answered your question, good luck
 
Thanks! But I still have problems.
Like if I take

[tex]T=\sum_{ij} A_{ij}p_i p_j[/tex]

kinetic energy like a quadratic form I will still get equation of ideal gas?

Where [tex]\hat{A}[/tex] is symmetric matrix.
 
TheDestroyer said:
No it's not true, the true form as I think is

[tex] Z=\sum_{\{states j\}}e^{-\beta E_j}=e^{-\beta U}[/tex]

where U is the internal energy of the system.

For your second question, yes it's only for the ideal gas, because you have only energies P^2/2m, there are no other contributions like repulsion or collisions, the facts which are considered in Van der Waals equation of state. Your second question involves the microcanonical ensemble as I recall, not the canonical one, because there is not energy exchange for the system.

For your last question, no you can't, because you have to take into consideration that the particles are indistinguishable, and so this lowers the number of configurations possible, and gives a rise to Gibbs paradox.
The correct answer for your last question is to divide by N!. (N factorial) as well.

I hope I answered your question, good luck

I don't write [tex]N![/tex] with purpose. I have some problems with this [tex]N![/tex]. Why [tex]N![/tex] in classical statistical mechanics?
 
Petar Mali said:
Thanks! But I still have problems.
Like if I take

[tex]T=\sum_{ij} A_{ij}p_i p_j[/tex]

kinetic energy like a quadratic form I will still get equation of ideal gas?

Where [tex]\hat{A}[/tex] is symmetric matrix.

In this form you're assuming there are interactions between particles i and j, therefore it's not ideal.

And about N!, N! solves the Gibbs paradox for entropy continuity, the paradox happened when he put 2 gases in a box with a thick-less barrier. When removing the barrier, if the particles were identical, he found the entropy not changing, but if the particles are different on the sides of the barrier he found that the entropy increases, where the theory doesn't support that, and so N! solved the problem.

The only prove of the importance of this N! comes with Quantum Mechanics. If this is not enough to convince you, imagine the following: you have N particles and N microstates, and you want to calculate the possible configurations for those particles on those states, assuming there is no degeneracy, meaning every state takes only 1 particle, we find the following:

Classically: we assume that we can "name" the particles with numbers, the number of configurations is simply N!.

Quantum mechanically: particles are indistinguishable, therefore exchanging particles would not change the macrostate (not microstate) and that's what we care about in Statistical mechanics, and so

N=2 -> we have 2 configurations, meaning 2!, but exchanging won't change anything, and so we have 1 state resulting from 2!/2!.

N=5 -> we have 5! configurations, but the same happens because all are the same, and so we need again to divide by 5! to again get the 1 state.

And so we find that if we have N states, then we have only 1 configurations. This can be proven only with quantum mechanics, and so it happens to be a paradox before quantum mechanics, which Gibbs had solved before Quantum mechanics.

Hope this answers :)
 
Thanks! :D So I put [tex]\frac{1}{N!}[/tex] because entropy, Helmholtz free energy... need to be extensive quontities.
 
Right :)
 
Petar Mali said:
Is it true that partition function for canonical ensemble is

[tex]Z=\sum_{\{states j\}}e^{-\beta E_j}=e^{-\beta F}[/tex]

where [tex]F[/tex] is Helmholtz free energy?

Correct. TheDestroyer is wrong.
 
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Note that dividing by N! is only an approximate way of correcting overcounting. It becomes exact in the limit of a dilute gas.

TheDestroyer's explanation is wrong, as it ignores that the classical partition function puts te paticles in all possible states, so it will count also configurations in wjhich mre than one particle is in a certain state and then you can't get a correct counting by dividing by N! The correct explanation is that if you have many more accesible states than particles, you can ignore configurations in which the particles are in the same state.
 

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