Canonical Quantization: Dirac's Book & Gauge Theories

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The discussion revolves around the canonical quantization of gauge theories as presented in Dirac's "Lectures on Quantum Mechanics." Participants explore the identification and classification of constraints within gauge theories, the relationship between Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations, and the nature of gauge transformations.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of checking that all constraints are first class and whether this guarantees the equivalence of Hamiltonian and Lagrangian evolutions.
  • Another participant clarifies that constraints define a phase space surface but are not automatically zero everywhere, suggesting a need for further references to understand the implications of constraints.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of gauge transformations, with one participant proposing two definitions and questioning the validity of a specific equation from Matschull's lecture notes.
  • One participant asserts that gauge freedom represents unphysical degrees of freedom and discusses the invariance of the Hamiltonian under gauge transformations.
  • Another participant seeks to understand the relationship between gauge freedoms in the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations, specifically regarding the condition that arbitrary functions must satisfy.
  • A later reply connects the two formulations of gauge invariance, suggesting they express the same underlying unphysical gauge freedom through different mathematical representations.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of gauge transformations and the relationship between Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations. There is no consensus on the definitions or the mechanisms that relate these concepts.

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Participants reference specific equations and concepts from external sources, indicating a reliance on additional literature for clarity on the subject matter. The discussion highlights the complexity of gauge theories and the nuances involved in their quantization.

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Hi,

I have recently been reading Dirac's book on Canonical Quantization of gauge theories, and I have a few questions:

So in the quantization procedure we need to identify all the constraints in the theory. Once this has been done (if we are dealing with a gauge theory) we need to check that all constraints are first class, i.e. that all constraints commute with each other, correct?

Now given that all the constraints commute we deduce that the constraints are satisfied we can be sure that the evolution in the hamiltonian system is equivalent to the evolution in the lagrangian theory i.e. that there equations of motion agree, correct?

Now when studying the Lagrangian theory we can see what are the gauge transformations take for example EM the gauge transformation is just:
A_\mu(x) \rightarrow A_\mu' = A_\mu(x) +\partial_\mu \theta(x)

To understand this in the canonical picture is where I have trouble, its something like the Lie algebra of the constraints generate gauge transformation but how can I see this?

thanks in advance

M
 
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mtak0114 said:
I have recently been reading Dirac's book on Canonical Quantization of gauge theories

Which book?
 
sorry Lectures on Quantum Mechanics
 
mtak0114 said:
I have recently been reading Dirac's book
[...] Lectures on Quantum Mechanics
and I have a few questions:

So in the quantization procedure we need to identify all the constraints in
the theory. Once this has been done (if we are dealing with a gauge theory) we
need to check that all constraints are first class, i.e. that all constraints
commute with each other, correct?
Actually, we use the constraints initially to write down what's called a "total
Hamiltonian", which is different from the ordinary Hamiltonian, but the two
are "weakly equal" (meaning equal only if the equations of motion are satisfied).
At this stage, we're still working with classical quantities. We need to check
commutativity of the constraints regardless of whether we're working with a
gauge theory, since that tells us whether there's any second-class constraints
(in which case we must construct something called a Dirac-Bergman
bracket instead of the ordinary Poisson bracket as the classical starting point
for deciding what quantum commutators are appropriate).

Now given that all the constraints commute we deduce that the constraints are
satisfied
[...]
Er, no... wait a minute. That's not really how it works. Setting the constraints
to zero just defines a phase space (hyper)surface, but we can also
consider them as functions over the whole phase space, and they are not
automatically zero everywhere. We use the constraint functions when working
with derivatives, etc, that potentially take us off the constraint surface.

But I get the feeling you need some other references to get a clearer picture
of what's going on...

Have you looked at this Wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_bracket ?
It gives a more condensed summary of what this constraint business
is all about.

Now when studying the Lagrangian theory we can see what are the gauge
transformations take for example EM the gauge transformation is just:
A_\mu(x) \rightarrow A_\mu' = A_\mu(x) +\partial_\mu \theta(x)

To understand this in the canonical picture is where I have trouble, its
something like the Lie algebra of the constraints generate gauge
transformation but how can I see this?
Do you have access to Henneaux & Teitelboim's, "Quantization of Gauge Systems"?
In sect 1.2, there's a general answer about how constraints generate gauge
transformations.

Maybe the best approach is to look at these other references, and then come
back with more specific questions if anything's still unclear.
 
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Another good introduction to the subject is the lectures given by Hans-Jurgen Matschull, quant-ph/9606031.
 
thanks I'm getting a clearer idea now
but I still have one question:
what is the definition of a gauge transformation?

1) A symmetry of the Lagrangian which leaves the equations of motion invariant

or

2) a gauge transformation is whatever a 1st class constraint generates.

I would have thought 1) to be the commonly accepted definition in that case if you look at
quant-ph/9606031v1 equation 3.11 is not in general a gauge transformation how can we justify setting u_1 = \dot{u_2}?

thanks

M
 
mtak0114 said:
what is the definition of a gauge transformation?
A gauge freedom is an unphysical degree of freedom.
Changing to a different gauge has no effect on any of
the physically-observable quantities in the theory.

E.g., a Lorentz transformation between inertial frames
changes the Hamiltonian (i.e., energy), but in gauge theories
the (total) Hamiltonian is invariant under gauge transformations.

(This is mentioned briefly in that Wiki page I referenced earlier.
If any of the u_k functions used in that treatment
remain undetermined, they indicate a gauge freedom.)
 
Okay

how then can the two different notions of gauge freedom in the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian pictures be understood are they just different or is there some mechanism by which the arbitrary functions must satisfy the relation
<br /> u_1 = \dot{u_2}<br />
so that they agree?
 
(mtak0114, you need to put a bit more detail into your questions. It took me quite
a while to guess what you're really asking. Even now, I'm not entirely sure I'm
answering the right question...)

mtak0114 said:
how then can the two different notions of gauge freedom in the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian pictures be understood are they just different or is there some mechanism by which the arbitrary functions must satisfy the relation
<br /> u_1 = \dot{u_2}<br />
so that they agree?

I presume your
u_1 = \dot{u_2}
refers to stuff in Matschull's lecture notes (quant-ph/9606031) in his eqn(3.11)
and his paragraph thereafter (on p24)? If so, I think the answer is self-explanatory:
In one formulation of EM gauge invariance we use a single function w(x) and
the gauge transformation is of the form:

<br /> \delta A_\mu ~=~ \partial_\mu w(x) ~~,<br />

whereas (following the Dirac programme) we end up with two
functions u_1(x) , u_2(x) and the gauge transformation
takes the form:

<br /> \delta A_0 ~=~ u_1(x) ~~;~~~~ \delta A_i ~=~ \partial_i u_2(x) ~~.<br />

So we conclude that the two forms of gauge invariance are related by

<br /> u_2(x) = w(x) ~~;~~~~ u_1(x) = \dot{u_2}(x)<br />

We simply have two ways of expressing the same underlying
unphysical gauge freedom.
 

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