Can't find correct expression for discharging RL circuit

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding an expression for the total charge that passes through a resistor in an RL circuit after a switch is changed. The problem involves the behavior of the circuit over time constants and the application of relevant equations related to current and charge.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the integration of current over time to find total charge, questioning the handling of negative signs and limits in their calculations. There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between the variables involved, particularly the time constant.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential errors in the original calculations and are seeking clarification on the correct application of limits in the integration process. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes, and participants are actively engaging in correcting their reasoning without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

One participant requests additional information about the circuit setup, indicating that the context may be incomplete. The discussion also reflects a sense of frustration with simple mistakes, suggesting that participants are grappling with the mathematical details involved.

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Homework Statement


After a switch is left for a for many time constants, it is switched to b. find an expression for the total charge that passes through the resistor in one time constant

Homework Equations


dq/dt = I(t)
I(t) = (ε/R)(e^(-tR/l))

The Attempt at a Solution


so dq = I(t) dt
I know the constant is tau but I can't find that so I am just going to call it v, v = l/R

Q = ∫(ε/R)(e^(-t/v)) dt
Q = (ε/R) ∫(e^(-t/v)) dt

let u = -t/v let du = -1/v dt

-du*V = dt

∫(e^(-t/v)) = -v ∫e^u du

∫e^u = e^u

e^u = e^(-t/v) from t to 0

∫(e^(-t/v)) = ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-t/v) - e) ] = Q(t)

its asking for total charge at one time constant (v)

ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-v/v) - e) ] = Q(v)

ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-1) - e) ] = Q(v)

((εv)/(r)) * [ -(1/e) + e ] = Q(v)

but my book is telling me the answer is

((εv)/(r)) * [ (e-1) / e ] = Q(v)
what am I doing wrong?
 
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Rijad Hadzic said:
ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-1) - e) ] = Q(t)

((εv)/(r)) * [ (1/e) - e ] = Q(v)

but my book is telling me the answer is

((εv)/(r)) * [ (e-1) / e ] = Q(v)

Did you distribute the negative sign from the first line of this post to the second line?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Did you distribute the negative sign from the first line of this post to the second line?

sorry my apologize! I forgot to write that

fixing it up:

ε/r * [ -v * (e^(-1) - e) ] = Q(v)

((εv)/(r)) * [ -(1/e) + e ] = Q(v)

I still don't understand how they got to

((εv)/(r)) * [ (e-1) / e ] = Q(v)

though.

I will edit my OP with the correction that you pointed out
 
Rijad Hadzic said:
After a switch is left for a for many time constants, it is switched to b. find an expression for the total charge that passes through the resistor in one time constant
What are a and b? Post the circuit diagram.
 
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When you evaluate the limits, what term is associated with t=0?
 
robphy said:
When you evaluate the limits, what term is associated with t=0?

Do you mean when I take the integral?

so from

"e^u = e^(-t/v) from t to 0"

you get e^(-t/v) - e^0 = e^(-t/v) - 1

so wait this isn't what I wrote in my OP :S damnit
 
robphy said:
When you evaluate the limits, what term is associated with t=0?

Thanks so much. I'm not sure why I'm making such simple mistakes but I feel like accelerating off a cliff rn.
 

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