Capacitance and field of 2 eccentric spheres

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the capacitance and electric field of two eccentric spheres, where one sphere is located inside another. The original poster is seeking to understand the potential and electric field distribution both inside the smaller sphere and outside the larger one, particularly in relation to boundary conditions and changes in potential.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of charge distribution on the spheres and the application of Gauss's law to determine electric fields and potentials. Questions are raised about the behavior of the electric field inside the inner sphere and the outer sphere, as well as the effects of moving the inner sphere within the outer sphere.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the behavior of electric fields and potentials based on Gauss's law. There is recognition of the equipotential nature of conductors and the implications for charge distribution, but some uncertainty remains regarding the outer sphere's electric field and the adequacy of Gauss's law in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering boundary conditions and the effects of varying potential on the spheres, as well as the implications of moving the inner sphere within the outer sphere. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between charge distribution and electric fields in this specific configuration.

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Homework Statement


Hi there!

So I have found trouble with the following problem. I have a system of two eccentric spheres, where one is inside another.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have found this answer:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16939/capacitance-of-non-concentric-spheres
and solved it also for the c, that is not close to the center of origin.

What my problem is, is that there I only obtain potential (field) between the electrodes, but I want it everywhere. How could I obtain it inside the smaller sphere and outside of bigger one? Then, there is a boundary condition of one of the spheres at 0, what if I put it on, let's say V1... what changes? How could I solve the problem for the capacitance after I made this change?
 
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Start with charge +Q on the outer sphere and -Q on the inner sphere. What is the electric field outside the outer sphere? What about the inner sphere? If the potential on its surface is V0, what would it be inside it? More to the point, if you move the inner sphere around inside the outer sphere, will the surface charge distribution on the outer surface of the outer sphere change? How?
 
Okay, so inside the inner sphere, I would say that there is no potential, according to the Gauss law. Also if the charge on the outer sphere is +Q and on the inner sphere is -Q, the electric field should be zero, again according to the Gauss law.
The charge distribution would change on the outer sphere. The closer the inner sphere would be to the outer sphere, more charge would there be.

So, to sum it up...field inside the inner sphere would always be zero. But I am still really not sure about the outer sphere, would Gauss law be sufficient tool?
 
Janko1 said:
Okay, so inside the inner sphere, I would say that there is no potential, according to the Gauss law.
Not exactly. Inside the inner sphere the potential has the same value as on the surface. Remember that the conductor is an equipotential.
Janko1 said:
Also if the charge on the shell is +Q and on the inner sphere is -Q, the electric field should be zero, again according to the Gauss law.
Correct.
Janko1 said:
The charge distribution would change on the outer sphere. The closer the inner sphere would be to the outer sphere, more charge would there be.
Where do you think the charges would go? Answer: -Q on surface of the outer sphere and + Q on the inner surface of the outer shell. The result is that the electric field inside the conducting part of the outer shell will be zero according to Gauss Law and will remain zero no matter where you move the inner sphere inside the cavity. Moving the inner sphere changes the distribution of charges facing each other on the inner surface of the shell and the surface of the sphere, but does not move charges from the inside surface of the shell to the outside surface. That's because an electric field is needed to do that and there is none between the inner and outer surface of the shell.
Janko1 said:
So, to sum it up...field inside the inner sphere would always be zero.
Correct and it is zero also in the region between the inner and outer surface of the shell where there is conducting material.
Janko1 said:
But I am still really not sure about the outer sphere, would Gauss law be sufficient tool?
It should be when coupled with the fact the conductors are equipotentials which means that two points are on an equipotential, there can be no electric field between them.
Finally, remember that the capacitance depends only on the geometry, not on how much charge you put on the conductors.
 

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