Capacitance of infinitely long coaxial cylinders of elliptical section

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The discussion focuses on the capacitance of infinitely long coaxial cylinders with elliptical cross-sections, where an inequality for capacitance has been established but the exact value remains elusive. A user has referenced a paper that discusses confocal ellipses and suggested using the Joukowski conformal transformation to simplify the problem by mapping ellipses to disks. This transformation allows for the computation of capacitance in a cylindrical symmetric manner. The conversation emphasizes the need to equate real and imaginary parts to derive relationships between the parameters involved. The discussion concludes with a recommendation to define a scale for the problem to facilitate calculations.
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Homework Statement
Find the capacitance per unit length between two infinitely long coaxial cylinders of elliptical section given by eqs. $$\frac{x^2}{a_1^2}+\frac{y^2}{b_1^2}=1$$ $$\frac{x^2}{a_2^2}+\frac{y^2}{b_2^2}=1$$ where $$\frac{a_2}{a_1}=\frac{b_2}{b_1}$$ and $$b_1\geq a_1\,,\quad b_2\geq a_2\,,\quad a_2>a_1$$
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Laplace equation in 2D
I've been able to prove the following inequality $$\frac{2\pi\epsilon_0}{\log\left(\frac{b_1b_2}{a_1^2}\right)}\leq C \leq \frac{2\pi\epsilon_0}{\log\left(\frac{a_1a_2}{b_1^2}\right)}$$ but have no clue how to obtain exact value. Can someone check whether this inequality is correct and show how to obtain the exact value?
 
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Please show us your work.
 
vela said:
Please show us your work.
Sorry, it isn't really a homework (maybe I shouldn't have posted it under HW help, sorry) but a problem I invented. I found this paper (p.10) which deals with a system of confocal ellipses and uses special system of coords to solve it. However, I couldn't find any reference that deals with similar ellipses.
 
Rlwe said:
it isn't really a homework (maybe I shouldn't have posted it under HW help, sorry) but a problem I invented.
It is still schoolwork-like, so you did the right thing to post it in the schoolwork forums. :smile:
 
I suggest you use the Joukowski conformal transformation to map ellipses in the ##z## plane (##z=x+iy##) to disks in the ##w## plane (##w=u+iv##), then compute the capacitance in the ##w## plane with cylindrical symmetry (not hard). The Joukowski transformation is,
$$
z=\alpha w + \frac{\beta}{w}
$$
$$
z_{1,2}=x_{1,2}+iy_{1,2}=\alpha_{1,2} (u_{1,2}+iv_{1,2}) + \beta_{1,2} \frac{u_{1,2}-iv_{1,2}}{R_{1,2}^2}
$$
where ##R_{1,2}## are the radii of the disks in the ##w## plane. Equating real and imaginary parts, the equation ## u^2_{1,2} + v^2_{1,2}=R^2_{1,2}## becomes,
$$
\frac{x^2_{1,2} }{\alpha_{1,2} + \frac{\beta_{1,2} }{R^2_{1,2}}} +\frac{y^2_{1,2} }{\alpha_{1,2} - \frac{\beta_{1,2} }{R^2_{1,2}}}=1
$$
where,
$$
a_{1,2}=|\alpha_{1,2} + \frac{\beta_{1,2} }{R^2_{1,2}} |
$$
$$
b_{1,2}=|\alpha_{1,2} - \frac{\beta_{1,2} }{R^2_{1,2}} |
$$
You will have to choose a scale for your problem i.e. ##a_2=\gamma a_1## and ##b_2=\gamma b_1##. From this and the given conditions and constraints you can compute the ratio ##\frac{R_2}{R_1}##.
 
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