Car turning on a curved road and friction

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The discussion revolves around the physics of a car turning on a curved road, specifically focusing on the role of friction in providing the necessary centripetal force during the turn. Participants explore the dynamics of friction in relation to the motion of the car and its wheels.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of friction, questioning how it interacts with the motion of the car and the wheels during a turn. There are attempts to clarify the distinction between static and dynamic friction, as well as the implications of centripetal force in this context.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the role of friction in turning dynamics. Some participants provide insights into the forces at play, while others seek to clarify misconceptions about friction's role in motion.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and assumptions surrounding friction, particularly in the context of a car transitioning from straight to curved motion. The complexity of the forces involved and their interactions is acknowledged, but no definitive conclusions have been reached.

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Friction opposes motion. When a car is turning around a curved road, the friction between the tyres and the roads provides the necessary centripetal force. That is, the frictional force would be in the same direction the driver is turning in. So would motion of the wheels be opposite to friction? This is not the case since the wheels turn where friction acts.. So why is this happening?
 
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andyrk said:
Friction opposes motion. When a car is turning around a curved road, the friction between the tyres and the roads provides the necessary centripetal force. That is, the frictional force would be in the same direction the driver is turning in. So would motion of the wheels be opposite to friction? This is not the case since the wheels turn where friction acts.. So why is this happening?

In the case of a rolling wheel friction does not oppose motion. It opposes the acceleration tending to make the wheel slide over the road instead of roll. That would be the centripetal acceleration only if the car has constant velocity.
 
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Dynamic / kinetic / sliding friction opposes relative motion between two surfaces. Rolling resistance opposes rolling motion, but this mostly due to loss of energy between deformation and restoration that occurs at the contact patch of a tire.

Static friction can be in any direction. In the case of a turning car, the static friction is a Newton third law pair of forces, the tire pushing outwards on the pavement, and the pavement pushing inwards on the tire. In a steady turn, the force from the pavement is centripetal.
 
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That means that the wheels want to go outward on the straight track they were following earlier before coming into the circular path or highway. So they want to move away from the circular path they are following and come back to the original straight path. So for this transition of going from the circular path to the curved path they have a tendency to move radially outward until the straight path is met again. To counteract this friction acts radially inwards. So this is the necessary centripetal force. Right?
 
andyrk said:
friction acts radially inwards.
The static friction is between the tires and the pavement. As I mentioned before, that static friction results in a Newton third law pair of forces, the tire exerts an outward force onto the pavement, the pavement exerts an inwards (centripetal) force onto the tires.

Both forces are techincally reaction forces, the force from the tires is related to the acceleration of the car (times its mass), and the force from the pavement is related to the tiny amount of acceleration of the Earth (times its mass).
 
andyrk said:
Friction opposes motion.
Not quite. Friction between two surfaces opposes relative motion of the two surfaces - always. In the absence of friction, the car would continue in a straight line, the tyres sliding sideways on the road. Friction acts to oppose the slide.
Similarly, for a car accelerating on the flat, without friction the wheels would spin, with the part of the tyres in contact with the road moving 'backwards' (in relation to the orientation of the car). Therefore friction pushes the car forwards.
 

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