Carbon dioxide as an oscillator; normal modes.

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The discussion revolves around modeling the carbon dioxide (CO2) molecule as a system of masses connected by springs, focusing on the normal modes of oscillation. Participants are tasked with setting up equations for the normal modes and determining the frequency ratio based on given mass values.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss setting up differential equations for the oscillating masses and substituting assumed solutions into these equations. There is a focus on transforming the system into a matrix form to find the conditions for non-zero solutions.

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Some participants have provided guidance on forming a matrix and determining the conditions for the determinant to vanish. Others express confusion about the process and seek clarification on solving for the angular frequencies.

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Participants mention needing to solve for angular frequencies before substituting specific mass values. There is also a reference to discrepancies between calculated frequency ratios and textbook answers, indicating potential misunderstandings or missing information in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Consider the CO2 molecule as a system made of a central mass [tex]m_2[/tex] connected by equal springs of spring constant k to two masses [tex]m_1[/tex] and [tex]m_3[/tex]

a) set up and solve the equations for the two normal modes in which the masses oscillate along the line joining their centers (the x-axis).

b) putting [tex]m_1[/tex] = [tex]m_3[/tex] = 16 units and [tex]m_2[/tex] = 12 units, what would be the ratio of the frequencies of the two normal modes?

The Attempt at a Solution



I made x_1,x_2 and x_3 the displacement to the right from equilibrium position.

a)
[tex]m_3\frac{d^2x_3}{dt^2} = -k(x_3-x_2)[/tex]
[tex]m_2\frac{d^2x_2}{dt^2} = -k(x_2-x_1) -k(x_2-x_3)[/tex]
[tex]m_1\frac{d^2x_1}{dt^2} = -k(x_1-x_2)[/tex]

Assuming [tex]x_1 = C_1cos(wt), x_2=C_2cos(wt)[/tex] etc...
solving for the double time derivatives and plugging them in above gives:

[tex]w^2C_1m_1=k(x_1-x_2)[/tex]
[tex]w^2C_2m_2=k(x_2-x_1) + k(x_2-x_3)[/tex]
[tex]w^2C_3m_3=k(x_3-x_2)[/tex]

Where do I go from here?
 
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Plug in the assumed solution for al xi-s.

ehild
 
[tex]w^2C_1m_1=k(C_1-C_2)[/tex]
[tex]w^2C_2m_2=k(2C_2-C_1-C_3)[/tex]
[tex]w^2C_3m_3=k(C_3-C_2)[/tex]

So that's just replacing the x's with C's, considering the cos(wt) terms cancel.
 
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Anyone?
 
You have a system of linear equations with the unknowns C1, C2, C3. Group the unknowns and arrange the equations in matrix form. [itex]w^2[/itex] is the parameter you have to find so the system of equations has non-zero solution. For that, the determinant of the matrix has to vanish.

ehild
 
This is pretty foreign to me; if I make a matrix with columns C1, C2 and C3, for my determinant to be zero, the following must hold true:

[tex](w^2m_1-k)(w^2m_2-2k)(w^2m_3-k)=0[/tex]

How do I solve this? Am I on the right track? I should have added that I need to solve for "w" before plugging in the masses.
 
novop said:
This is pretty foreign to me; if I make a matrix with columns C1, C2 and C3, for my determinant to be zero, the following must hold true:

[tex](w^2m_1-k)(w^2m_2-2k)(w^2m_3-k)=0[/tex]

How do I solve this? Am I on the right track? I should have added that I need to solve for "w" before plugging in the masses.

For that equation to hold true, the LHS has to equal the RHS, 0.

If A*B*C=0 then A=0 or B=0 or C=0.
 
So then my two modes are [tex]w_1^2=\frac{k}{m_1}=w_3^2[/tex] and [tex]w_2^2=\frac{2k}{m_2}[/tex]?

If this is the case, the ratio between these two frequencies isn't giving me what the textbook says.
 
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novop said:
This is pretty foreign to me; if I make a matrix with columns C1, C2 and C3, for my determinant to be zero, the following must hold true:

[tex](w^2m_1-k)(w^2m_2-2k)(w^2m_3-k)=0[/tex]

Some terms are missing.

[tex]D=(w^2m_1-k)(w^2m_2-2k)(w^2m_3-k)-k^2(w^2m_1-k)-k^2(w^2m_3-k)=0[/tex]

m1=m3=m, so

[tex]D=(w^2m-k)(w^2m_2-2k)(w^2m-k)-2k^2(w^2m-k)=0[/tex]

Factor out w^2m-k.

[tex]D=(w^2m-k)((w^2m_2-2k)(w^2m-k)-2k^2)=0[/tex]

w^2m-k=0 gives the first angular frequency.

The other possibilities come from the condition that

[tex](w^2m_2-2k)(w^2m-k)-2k^2=0[/tex]

Simplify and solve. One root is w^2=0. This corresponds to a translation of the molecule as a whole. You need the other frequency.

ehild
 
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Thanks that's perfect.
 

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