Center of mass of a ring of variable density

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass (COM) for a ring of variable density, where the density varies according to a mathematical function dependent on polar coordinates. Participants explore different approaches to calculate the COM, including changing coordinate systems and integrating density functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a continuous mathematical equation to describe the density along the ring, defined by two functions, d1 and d2, dependent on radius (r) and angle (θ).
  • Another participant suggests converting to Cartesian coordinates (x and y) to facilitate the integration process for finding the x- and y-components of the COM.
  • A participant mentions the formula for the radial variable of the COM, indicating the need to calculate intermediary x and y values to derive the final result.
  • One participant presents a general formula for the COM in x-y coordinates, expressing the density as a sum of d1 and d2, and raises the question of how to determine the differential volume element (dV).
  • Another participant clarifies that dV can be expressed as dxdydz for three dimensions or as dA = dxdy for two dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for calculating the COM, with multiple approaches and interpretations presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and the determination of dV.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the straightforwardness of finding the COM for the second mass function (m2) and the implications of the chosen coordinate system on the integration process.

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How would I find the center of mass (COM) for a ring of variable density, where the variation in density can be described by a continuous mathematical equation.

The density at each location along the ring is described by a function (d) whose independent variables are radius (r) and angle ([tex]\theta[/tex]), i.e., polar coordinates.

The value of d at each r and [tex]\theta[/tex] is the sum of two functions (d1 and d2) where:

d1 = A sinc([tex]\pi[/tex] r)

where A is a constant
AND

d2 = B sinc([tex]\pi[/tex] z)

where B is a constant
And: z = l + r * cos([tex]\theta[/tex])

where l is a constant

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A HOMEWORK QUESTION
 
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redtree said:
How would I find the center of mass (COM) for a ring of variable density, where the variation in density can be described by a continuous mathematical equation.

The density at each location along the ring is described by a function (d) whose independent variables are radius (r) and angle ([tex]\theta[/tex]), i.e., polar coordinates.

Hi redtree! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and a pi: π :wink:)

Just change to x and y coordinates, and integrate in the usual way to find the x- and - components of the c.o.m. separately …

what do you get? :smile:
 
Remember that the value of the radial variable of the center of mass is:
[tex]\hat{r}=\sqrt{\hat{x}^{2}+\hat{y}^{2}}[/tex] where [itex]\hat{x},\hat{y}[/itex] are the x and y-coordinates of the center of mass. Analogously for the value of the value pf the angular variable at the mass point.

There is no simplistic way to calculate these two values except by going through the intermediary x and y values.
 
What is the formula (in x-y coordinates) for the center of mass of a ring of variable density?

I think the general formula is as follows:

R = [tex]\int[/tex] p(r) * r dV / [tex]\int[/tex] p(r) dV

In this case p(r) = d(r) = d1(r) + d2(r)
Where
d1(r) = A sinc(pi * (x2 + y2)(1/2))
d2(r) = B sinc(pi * ((l-x)2 + y2)(1/2))

So, how do I find "dV"?

This problem can also be restated as a "barycenter" problem:

r1 = a / (1 + m1/m2) and r2 = a / (1+m2/m1)

where
m1 is a function of d1(r)
m2 is a function of d2(r)
a = l.

However, even with this restatement, it seems that finding the COM for m2 is not straightforward.
 
redtree said:
So, how do I find "dV"?

dV is dxdydz :wink:

(or, for a 2-dimensional mass, you'd use dA = dxdy)
 

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