Center of mass with 2 people, a medicine ball, and a beam

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The discussion focuses on calculating the center of mass for a system involving two people, a medicine ball, and a beam. The first calculation yields a center of mass at approximately 1.332 meters, which is confirmed as correct. The second calculation, intended to find the new center of mass after the medicine ball is thrown to the left end of the beam, incorrectly suggests a new position of approximately 1.178 meters. The correct answer remains 1.332 meters, indicating that the center of mass does not change due to the internal movement of the medicine ball, emphasizing the importance of understanding the system's total mass distribution.

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Homework Statement


A person with mass m1 = 50 kg stands at the left end of a uniform beam with mass m2 = 95 kg and a length L = 2.4 m. Another person with mass m3 = 60 kg stands on the far right end of the beam and holds a medicine ball with mass m4 = 14 kg (assume that the medicine ball is at the far right end of the beam as well). Let the origin of our coordinate system be the left end of the original position of the beam as shown in the drawing. Assume there is no friction between the beam and floor.

1) What is the location of the center of mass of the system?

2) The medicine ball is throw to the left end of the beam (and caught). What is the location of the center of mass now?


Homework Equations



1/Mtotal ƩMiRcm,i

The Attempt at a Solution



So for number 1 I got the center of mass pretty easily by doing this:
((50 x 0) + (95 x 1.2) + ((60+14) x 2.4)) / (50 + 95 + 60 + 14) ≈ 1.332 meters
That I completely understand.

Now for number 2 I thought it'd have to be this

(((50+14) x 0) + (95 x 1.2) + (60 x 2.4)) / (50 + 94 + 60 + 14) ≈ 1.178 meters

However the correct answer for 2 is still the 1.332 meters. How can that be? What is wrong with my above equation for 2?
 
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Why do you think it is mentioned that there is no friction between the beam and the floor?
 

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