Center of mass on plank problem

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The problem involves calculating the center of mass of a system consisting of a woman and a plank on a frictionless surface. The woman has a mass of 60 kg and is walking at a speed of 1.0 m/s before stepping onto a 10m long plank, which also has a mass of 60 kg. The question asks how far from the woman the center of mass of the combined system is located.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up an equation for the center of mass using the masses and distances involved. They express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations, particularly questioning whether the center of mass can be at the midpoint of the plank when the woman is standing at one end.
  • Some participants question the completeness of the problem statement, noting the absence of information about the woman's position on the plank and the angle of approach.
  • Others suggest that the center of mass must shift from the midpoint of the plank if the woman is not positioned there, indicating a need for further clarification on the setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the setup and the calculations presented. Some guidance on the method for calculating the center of mass has been offered, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation or outcome yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of clarity regarding the woman's position on the plank and the absence of a diagram that could aid in visualizing the problem. The original poster acknowledges the omission of the plank's length in their initial post.

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Problem
A 60kg woman walking at a speed of 1.0 m/s steps onto a long plank that has a mass of 60kg. Upon stepping on the plank, both she and the plank begin to slide with speed v and spin with angular rate ω on a frictionless surface.


1. How far from the woman is the center of mass of the woman + plank system?
a. 0.0m, b. 2.5m, c. 5.0m, d. 7.5m, e. 10m

Relevant equations
regarding center of mass m1x1 = m2x2, x is center of mass from side of plank where woman is standing

The attempt at a solution

for woman+plank: [60 kg + (x/10)*60kg] * x
& for plank on other side: [60 kg + ((10-x)/10)*60kg] * (10 - x)
These 2 equal each other by definition of center of mass
We get 60x + 6x2 = 1200 - 120x - 60x + 6x2
60x = 1200 - 180x
240x = 1200
x = 5m

This doesn't conceptually seem right to me, but I'm not sure how else to go about this. 5m is the center of the 10m plank, that would be the center of the mass without the woman standing on one end, no? So I'm thinking it wouldn't be with her there? But what is wrong with my calculations if this is true?
 
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You seem to know that the plank is 10M long, but you have not stated that in you problem. Nor have you described where on the plank the woman stepped, or at what angle she approached the length of the plank.

I suspect that there is a diagram that you have not included.
 
Oh my, I did leave out that a given is that the plank is 10m long. Sorry about that. I'll attach the diagram from the problem here. Some of the extra information is because there are follow up problems after the one I'm asking that use the center of mass value.

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Basically what you do to calculate center of mass in one dimension is you pick an origin point (anywhere within that one dimension), then sum the moments about that origin (mass of each object times its distance from the origin), then divide that sum by the total mass. The result is the center of mass.
In other words, the distance from the origin of the center of mass is:
xcm = (x1m1 + x2m2 + . . . x1mn)/(m1 + m2 + . . . mn)

So yes, you are right. If the center of mass of the plank is 5.0 m, and the woman's position is anywhere other than that point, then the center of the mass of the woman + plank system simply cannot be at 5.0 m. It has to move.

Another tidbit that should be fairly obvious is that if you have 2 point masses that are equal (in mass), then the center of mass has to be midway between them.
 

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